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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Why would we list in WS2 an inquiry into possible problems we have not yet identified and of which we are not yet aware? We might as well list “possible adverse action by the GAC” or “possible default by ICANN on its debt” or thousands of other possibilities that are evanescent and indeterminate. I agree, of course, that IF our inquiry suggests a real problem it would be appropriate to place it on the WS2 agenda. But identifying as agenda item a contingent possibility of indeterminate provenance simply because of its political salience is, I respectfully submit, inadmissible. WS2 is filled enough with problems and issues we actually know exist … we shouldn’t put down placeholders for every issue that some consider of possible merit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Link to my PGP Key</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.rsaconference.com/events/us15/register?utm_source=inhouse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=signature-us2015"><span style='color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=579 height=93 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D07882.DC104600"></span></a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva [mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Greg Shatan'<br><b>Cc:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] RES: RES: Initial draft section 8 - work stream 2<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>Dear Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thank you for the email.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>We have just started to interact with the legal firms and are slowly being acquainted with their advice. In the course of the next weeks/months I believe we will be able to better identify whether there are limitations or not regarding ICANN's current jurisdiction. This is why I wrote "<b><u>possible</u></b> accountability limitations". <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Maybe the text at the end of the sentence is a bit misleading, but I didn't mean they have been already identified. This is still work in progress.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>T: + 55 61 2030-6609<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>Division of Information Society (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>Ministry of External Relations - Brazil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>T: + 55 61 2030-6609<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR style='mso-fareast-language:PT-BR'>-----Mensagem original-----<br>De: Greg Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>] <br>Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2015 18:02<br>Para: Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>Assunto: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] RES: Initial draft section 8 - work stream 2</span><span lang=PT-BR><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>Pedro,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>First, your thanks are very much appreciated, and I thank you for them in return.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>Second, would you be so kind as to provide some of the possible accountability limitations you refer to, or direct me to where they have been identified? I would like to make sure that I understand the concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>Thank you in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR>On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <<a href="mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Dear CCWG-Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> I suggest the following point be included:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> - Alternative options for ICANN's jurisdiction (understood as 'place of legal establishment') based on possible accountability limitations related to the current jurisdiction of the Corporation (identified during WS1);<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> I assume the first item ("enhancements to ICANN's accountability based on the law(s) applicable to its actions") of the proposed WS2 list may also refer to jurisdiction, but I believe a clear reference to the term and to what we discussed in Istanbul is more adequate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Note: I take the opportunity to thank Greg Shatan for his useful distinction of the various meanings associated with the term 'jurisdiction'.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> T: + 55 61 2030-6609 <<a href="tel:%2B%2055%2061%202030-6609"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>tel:%2B%2055%2061%202030-6609</span></a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Division of Information Society (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Ministry of External Relations - Brazil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> T: + 55 61 2030-6609 <<a href="tel:%2B%2055%2061%202030-6609"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>tel:%2B%2055%2061%202030-6609</span></a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> -----Mensagem original-----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> De: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] Em nome de Mathieu Weill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2015 10:58<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Para: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] Initial draft section 8 - work stream 2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> As part of our planned report structure for public comment, section 8 is planned to address work stream 2 : what items would be considered and how would we ensure commitment that they will indeed be addressed ? The task of assembling a draft was assigned to the co-chairs in Istanbul.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> With precious help from staff, we are circulating this initial draft, building on the idea of a transitional article in the Bylaws, which seemed to get traction in Istanbul. The list of items is very tentative.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> the status of the document is an Initial draft. Amendments sent before Friday 17 Apr 15.00 UTC will be incorporated into the “freeze period”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> document. And of course, full and detailed review will be on the agenda of our intense work days (so this is NOT an urgent last call).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Thanks for your consideration,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> --<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> *****************************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Mathieu WEILL<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> AFNIC - directeur général<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06 <<a href="tel:%2B33%201%2039%2030%2083%2006"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>tel:%2B33%201%2039%2030%2083%2006</span></a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Twitter : @mathieuweill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> *****************************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=PT-BR><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>