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Dear Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Thank you for sharing these inputs and kicking off this discussion.
This is a bit like a "chicken and egg" issue because, of course we
need to be quite specific on the issues we intend to address, but as
long as we don't have our WS1 proposals fully reviewed by legal
advisors (and I'm aware of the questions that were raised by Pedro
to the legal group) it is difficult to be specific. <br>
<br>
I will take note of both comments in the draft, and will flag as a
discussion point for the CCWG to consider. <br>
<br>
best<br>
Mathieu<br>
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yet identified and of which we are not yet aware? We might
as well list “possible adverse action by the GAC” or
“possible default by ICANN on its debt” or thousands of
other possibilities that are evanescent and indeterminate.
I agree, of course, that IF our inquiry suggests a real
problem it would be appropriate to place it on the WS2
agenda. But identifying as agenda item a contingent
possibility of indeterminate provenance simply because of
its political salience is, I respectfully submit,
inadmissible. WS2 is filled enough with problems and issues
we actually know exist … we shouldn’t put down placeholders
for every issue that some consider of possible merit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br">mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Greg Shatan'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] RES: RES: Initial draft
section 8 - work stream 2<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">Dear Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thank you for the email.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We have just started to interact with
the legal firms and are slowly being acquainted with their
advice. In the course of the next weeks/months I believe we
will be able to better identify whether there are limitations
or not regarding ICANN's current jurisdiction. This is why I
wrote "<b><u>possible</u></b> accountability limitations". <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Maybe the text at the end of the
sentence is a bit misleading, but I didn't mean they have been
already identified. This is still work in progress.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR">Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR">Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR">Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR">T: + 55 61 2030-6609<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR">Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR">Division
of Information Society (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR">Ministry
of External Relations - Brazil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR">T:
+ 55 61 2030-6609<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:PT-BR"
lang="PT-BR">-----Mensagem original-----<br>
De: Greg Shatan [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2015 18:02<br>
Para: Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<br>
Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
Assunto: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] RES: Initial draft section 8 - work
stream 2</span><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">Pedro,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">First, your thanks
are very much appreciated, and I thank you for them in
return.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">Second, would you be
so kind as to provide some of the possible accountability
limitations you refer to, or direct me to where they have
been identified? I would like to make sure that I understand
the concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">Thank you in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">On Thu, Apr 16, 2015
at 3:54 PM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> Dear
CCWG-Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> I
suggest the following point be included:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> -
Alternative options for ICANN's jurisdiction (understood as
'place of legal establishment') based on possible
accountability limitations related to the current
jurisdiction of the Corporation (identified during WS1);<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> I
assume the first item ("enhancements to ICANN's
accountability based on the law(s) applicable to its
actions") of the proposed WS2 list may also refer to
jurisdiction, but I believe a clear reference to the term
and to what we discussed in Istanbul is more adequate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> Note:
I take the opportunity to thank Greg Shatan for his useful
distinction of the various meanings associated with the term
'jurisdiction'.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> Kind
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> T: +
55 61 2030-6609 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B%2055%2061%202030-6609"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">tel:%2B%2055%2061%202030-6609</span></a>>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Division of Information Society (DI)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Ministry of External Relations - Brazil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
-----Mensagem original-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> De: <a
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style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</span></a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Em nome de Mathieu Weill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2015 10:58<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> Para:
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style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Assunto: [CCWG-ACCT] Initial draft section 8 - work stream 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> Dear
Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> As
part of our planned report structure for public comment,
section 8 is planned to address work stream 2 : what items
would be considered and how would we ensure commitment that
they will indeed be addressed ? The task of assembling a
draft was assigned to the co-chairs in Istanbul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> With
precious help from staff, we are circulating this initial
draft, building on the idea of a transitional article in the
Bylaws, which seemed to get traction in Istanbul. The list
of items is very tentative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> the
status of the document is an Initial draft. Amendments sent
before Friday 17 Apr 15.00 UTC will be incorporated into the
“freeze period”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
document. And of course, full and detailed review will be on
the agenda of our intense work days (so this is NOT an
urgent last call).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR">
Thanks for your consideration,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="PT-BR"> --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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