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<div class="">1. Is it correct that a bylaw saying that a combination of those SOs and ACs can veto the budget or veto a bylaw change can be drafted and put in to the bylaws?</div>
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<div class="">2. Is it correct that were there to be such a bylaw and the SOs and ACs were to veto the budget or a bylaw change pursuant to that bylaw then the Board of ICANN could ignore that veto and that the SOs and ACs could not enforce the veto?</div>
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<div class="">3. Is it correct that the veto bylaw could be drafted to require binding arbitration in the event that the Board refused to follow the SO/AC veto and if so would the Board be bound by the arbitration finding?</div>
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<div class="">4. Is it correct that a Board spill bylaw could be inserted in to the bylaws and if triggered would be enforceable?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>dinsdag 21 april 2015 08:02<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au">ceo@auda.org.au</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Legal question<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The questions are simple. The answers may not be.... </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also, it depends on what the lawyers are currently working on. Further, the meeting is in about 13 hours, and I expect (given the time) at least 6-8 of those hours will be used for sleep and
commuting. So, it's not a lot of time.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">My views are as follows: </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On question 1, I think there may be issues in granting this right via bylaw, except to statutory members (and possibly to designators, at least where formally denoted as such), but these many
not sufficient issues to cause the bylaw to be invalid. If it's found to be invalid in court, then it would be unenforceable. However, I believe that something similar could be achieved by contract, which should then be enforceable.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On question 2, I would say that the Board cannot ignore an action mandated by the bylaws without some consequences. The SOs and ACs as currently constituted may not have the necessary legal
personhood to pursue litigation. However, this could be reported to the California Attorney General, who has broad oversight powers relating to non-profits, and would probably be quite interested to hear about a relatively high-profile non-profit where the
Board was ignoring actions mandated by duly approved bylaws. This could certainly be considered "enforcement," broadly speaking. There may also be other parties with legal personhood that could pursue litigation, and other governmental entities (Congress?)
that could make this an exceedingly difficult choice to sustain.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On 3, if the bylaw says the Board is bound, they're bound, unless the Board were to successfully challenge the validity of the bylaw. Again, it may be possible to achieve this by contract, with
fewer questions raised. And again, there may be issues in granting this right to parties other than members (or possibly formally recognized designators), but those issues may not invalidate the bylaw.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On 4, I think the answers to question 2 apply here as well.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We can see if counsel agrees with this....</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Really? They are fairly simple questions. As I said, I can ask them on the call.<br>
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<div>On 21 Apr 2015, at 14:32 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I just want to note that for the short notice it is unlikely we will be able to have answers to feed the discussion in our call tomorrow. </div>
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<div>El 20/04/2015, a las 23:22, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>> escribió:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am forwarding Chris Disspain's email into the Legal Sub Team for further consideration. I will let our counsels respond, should the Legal Sub Team's discussion result in a referral of the
questions to counsel.</div>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Chris Disspain</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:03 AM<br>
Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Legal question<br>
To: Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div>I’m not sure if this email should be addressed to the whole group, the legal sub-team or some other. Anyway, I have some questions that I would appreciate answers to from the CCWG’s lawyers. Happy to discuss on the upcoming CCWG call.</div>
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<div>Under the current structure of ICANN and its SOs and ACs </div>
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<div>1. Is it correct that a bylaw saying that a combination of those SOs and ACs can veto the budget or veto a bylaw change can be drafted and put in to the bylaws?</div>
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<div>2. Is it correct that were there to be such a bylaw and the SOs and ACs were to veto the budget or a bylaw change pursuant to that bylaw then the Board of ICANN could ignore that veto and that the SOs and ACs could not enforce the veto?</div>
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<div>3. Is it correct that the veto bylaw could be drafted to require binding arbitration in the event that the Board refused to follow the SO/AC veto and if so would the Board be bound by the arbitration finding?</div>
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<div>4. Is it correct that a Board spill bylaw could be inserted in to the bylaws and if triggered would be enforceable?<br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
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<div>On 18 Apr 2015, at 14:50 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I am forwarding this document from Counsel for your records and for its relevance for our overall work.</div>
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