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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think that’s exactly the intention, Alan. The board simply has to make a formal decision. That’s it. At that point, the community has a pretty high bar to contest
that decision but at least they are empowered to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jordan Carter; Jonathan Zuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> avri@acm.org; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] the power to enforce AOC type (6.7) recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we need to be careful with the wording of this. Although review teams work with the best of intentions, recommendations may not always be implementable, practical or cost-effective. The Board must have a strong obligation to evaluate
them and if it chooses not to implement (or not to implement exactly as specified), it must have an obligation explicitly say so, and to either propose an alternative recommendation that accomplishes the same intent, or justify why the recommendation is not
being followed. And THAT is subject to reconsideration/review. Part of that was already in ATRT2 Rec 11.6, but we have the opportunity to strengthen it now.<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 26/04/2015 05:30 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To add to Jonathan's point, Avri - I think the new language creating a positive obligation on the Board to "approve and implement review team recommendations, including recommendations from previous reviews." isn't just reinforcing the
status quo. If the Board fails to do this, it then goes up the reconsideration/review thing. this is how we worked around the "what if they just don't decide anything?" problem.<br>
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cheers<br>
Jordan<br>
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On 27 April 2015 at 07:29, Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org">JZuck@actonline.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I'm saying that both adoption and rejection are reviewable decisions. Inaction would be the failure to make a decision.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From: <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">
Avri Doria</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent: 4/26/2015 2:41 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] the power to enforce AOC type (6.7) recommendations<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Does that help?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Apologies, but I think I remain confused. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I understand that we still have the ultimate accountability function.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Still don't know if there is any other power.<o:p></o:p></p>
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First, as far as I remember, we did not get the Power to force a decision against complete inaction.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Also I do not believe that it would be the case that there was complete inaction. I am sure that the Board would review the various recommendations of the AOC type review teams. Most reviews contain many recommendations,
and the Board could accept some and reject others.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">because once the board has made a decision, we are putting in accountability mechanisms to question that decision<o:p></o:p></p>
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Do you mean reconsideration and IRP? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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avri<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On 26-Apr-15 14:03, Jonathan Zuck wrote:<br>
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Avri,<o:p></o:p></p>
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I completely agree that this is new obligation and that it must find its way into the bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
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As for your other question, I think it?s not a question of giving power to a review team but rather to the community to induce the board to accept recommendations from a review team.<o:p></o:p></p>
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To accomplish that, all we need to do an ensure that the board actually considers the recommendations and makes a decision about them, any decision because once the board has made a decision, we are putting in accountability mechanisms to question that decision.
The whole that currently exist is in cases of complete inaction on the part of the board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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The best analogy I think can of at the moment is the FTC. The FTC has the ability to hold companies to their promises. Getting companies to post privacy policies is the equivalent of getting them to promise something at which point, they are then subject to
FTC review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Does that help?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"> mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 1:29 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] the pwoer to enforce AOC type (6.7) recommendations<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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In the draft recommendations (6.7.2):<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Require the ICANN board to approve and implement review team recommendations, including<o:p></o:p></p>
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recommendations from previous reviews.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The final output of all reviews will be published for public comment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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six months of receipt of the recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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We discussed this as a putting a greater obligation onf the Board than it currently has. But I do not understand how that is the case. At this point, it is still up to the Board to agree or not.
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In responding to a CWG-IANA based question from an NCSG member on how the IANA Function Review recommendation for a RFP, if such were to ever happen, would be respected by the ICANN Board? Couldn't they just ignore it.
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I did not have a response and am wondering what part of the community powers I am forgetting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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This points to the more general question about any recommendation of an AOC type review.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Other than the no-confidence removal of the Board (6.6.6. got to love the numer!), is there anything that gives the AOC-Like review recommendations the sort of Community powers that we have discussed having for budgets, strategy & operational plans (6.6.2)
? Is it possible to include Board rejection of AOC type review recommendations under the category of decision that can be overruled by members? Or is that class of decsion restricted by statute?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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