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Hi,<br>
<br>
Interesting.<br>
<br>
I still don't understand the nature of the <span
style="color:black">unincorporated association and why this works
for the Nomcom</span>, but guess I will have to research that on
my own. I think I understand the delegated council reasoning.<br>
<br>
thanks.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30-Apr-15 00:28, Jordan Carter
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Great note. Thanks Greg, all.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 April 2015 at 16:14, List for the
work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">For the
Legal Sub-Team, our two law firms have discussed how
to answer Ms. Doria’s questions in a way that opens
up two options:
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">(1)
treating the NomCom as an unincorporated
association, acting as a designator, appointing
directors to the Board, and
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">(2)
treating the NomCom as a Delegate Council, not as an
entity but as an internal ICANN process by which
delegates from statutory members of ICANN plus
non-voting delegates from other stakeholders
collectively elect directors, much as they do now.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The
removal process could be virtually the same under
either option.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Moving to
the Delegate Council option, however, does require
attention to the future role of the Internet
Engineering Task Force (IETF), which presently has a
voting delegate on the NomCom.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Greg
Colvin</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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am forwarding your question to the Legal Sub
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at
6:51 PM, Avri Doria <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<br>
<br>
I am confused as to how this works. Please
forgive my questions. This has less to do
with the proposal I made then with trying to
understand the nature of a UA. I had not
realized until yesterday that the membership
model was as popular as it has been defined
to be. I had also not realized that we were
down to membership or designator model as
our only choices until today.<br>
<br>
What qualifies the Nomcom as an
association? It can't be the people, as
there is no continuity, except among the
staff. and some overlap in chairs as last
year's chair, this years' chair and next
year's possible chair, sit togehter each
year. I guess that is a bit of natural
person continuity. Is that chair thread
significant? <br>
<br>
Or is that it is always formed according to
same bylaw, even if all of the people are
different, that is a qualifying mark? Is
being a differnt instantiation of the same
process sufficient to define a UA, even if
there is no continuity of natural persons?<br>
<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
<br>
avrl<br>
<br>
Note: I would have sent this to the legal
list, but i never managed to get subscribed
that one as far as I can tell.
<br>
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