<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Co-Chairs,</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Mr Arasteh, a formal Consensus-Call must be taken and the minority view(s) must be attached, if any.</div><div><br></div><div>I also agree that we must remain within the Charter, but we should be the opposite of conservative. Or rather we should do whatever it takes to get it right.</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>-- <div>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div></div><div><br>On May 3, 2015, at 18:25, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Dear Dr.</div><div>As you mentioned at various occasions</div><div>There is no consensus on the issue and that should be explicitly indicated.</div><div>By the way I do not agree that we should be CONSERVATIVE.</div><div>We should be neutral, impartial, pragnatic </div><div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 3 May 2015, at 18:46, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Dear Co-Chairs,</div><div><br></div><div>in addition subordinate content to arbitrary deadlines, now the un-appointed participant representing the interests of the IPC wants us to be "conservative" in our changes.<br><br>I find no such restriction in our Charter.</div><div><br></div><div>el<br>-- <div>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div></div><div><br>On May 3, 2015, at 17:02, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>We need to be conservative with our changes. Otherwise, we might as well put the entire bylaws in square brackets. I don't believe that everything is possibly being changed unless we say it's not. Quite the opposite. <div><br></div><div>This would be a drastic change in ICANN's core values. Opening it up at this point in the preparation of this Draft <span></span>would be inappropriate. Those who disagree with status quo on this point are free to say so in comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Greg<br><br>On Sunday, May 3, 2015, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Greg</div><div>Thanks</div><div>We need to freely and openly debate that.</div><div>We hardly can agree to the retention if the term</div><div>I suggested square bracketed with a note describing it.</div><div>By the way I did not refer to WSIS with its narrow or wide aspects</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss</div><div><br></div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 3 May 2015, at 17:17, Greg Shatan <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I agree with Jon, Carlos, David and Edward. We should clarify that "private sector" is used in the broad sense Edward describes and not the narrow sense used in e.g. The Tunis Agenda.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Greg<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, May 3, 2015, Edward Morris <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','egmorris1@toast.net');" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree with Jon and Carlos.<div><br></div><div>It should also be noted that the AOC refers to ICANN as being a "multi-stakeholder private sector led organization with input from the public." I read the term 'private' liberally to include, for example, private civil society organisations where the principle distinctive purpose of the word 'private' is to ensure ICANN does not become, e.g., a 'multi-stakeholder public sector run organization'. </div><div><br></div><div>In addition to substance I would suggest that the day before document delivery is not an appropriate time to be making such substantive changes to the document, changes that run counter to ICANN's current bylaws and AOC. Perhaps it might be best to address such concerns during the public comment period.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Ed</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:41 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <span dir="ltr"><<a>carlosraulg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>+1 Jon <br><br>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<div><a href="tel:%2B506%208837%207176" value="+50688377176" target="_blank">+506 8837 7176</a> (New Number)</div><div>Enviado desde mi iPhone</div></div><div><br>El may 3, 2015, a las 8:14, Jon Nevett <<a>jon@donuts.co</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>With respect, I don't support the deletion of the words "private" or "private-led" in the context of the concept of multi-stakeholderism and the report. <div><br></div><div>It is clear from ICANN Bylaws (<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en</a>) that the organization is to be led privately, while at the same time receiving important advice from the governments. <div><br></div><div>"Section 2 Core Values</div><div>11. While remaining rooted in the private sector, recognizing that
governments and public authorities are responsible for public policy and
duly taking into account governments' or public authorities'
recommendations."</div><div><br></div><div>Similarly, the NTIA announcement on the transition specifically mentions that it should be privately led: "The Commerce Department’s June 10, 1998 <a href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/6_5_98dns.pdf" target="_blank"><em>Statement of Policy</em></a>
stated that the U.S. Government 'is committed to a transition that will
allow the private sector to take leadership for DNS management.'” </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-release/2014/ntia-announces-intent-transition-key-internet-domain-name-functions" target="_blank">http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-release/2014/ntia-announces-intent-transition-key-internet-domain-name-functions</a></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Jon<br><div>
<span style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px"><div><br></div></span></div><div><div>On May 2, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Co chair,</div><div>The message that I sent you and supported by others needs to be implemented.</div><div>I strongly oppose top any discriminatory terms, expressions motivations attepmting to polarize the community in " Private led " por " public led" or any other divding terms to be used as an adjective for Multistakeholder. It is to be noted that a group of people even disagree with multistakeholer approach .Then let us try to convince them that the multistakeholder approach is widely agreed by many but and but without the use of and adjective such as " private led" .</div><div>If this important issue is not taken on board there will be considerable opposition to the entire report.</div><div>This is the issue of " to be " or " not to be" a biary approach yes with the report provided that the term " private led" in 4 or 5 places in the report is deleted .</div><div>You are kindly urged to acknowledge receipt of this message and ensure of the proper ,neutral, impartial treatment of all categories of multistake holder and </div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss <br></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Olga Cavalli</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a>olgacavalli@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: 2015-05-02 16:06 GMT+02:00<br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Edits due in 3h: V10 DRAFT for your review by 2 May at 01:00 UTC<br>To: Kavouss Arasteh <<a>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Samantha Eisner <<a>Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>>, Thomas Rickert <<a>rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>, Mathieu Weill <<a>Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>, Accountability Cross Community <<a>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div>thanks for the draft.</div><div>I support Kavouss comments and suggested edits.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Olga</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-02 4:35 GMT-03:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<div><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div>IMPORTANT AND URGENT </div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Dear co-chairs,</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Thank you very much for your enormous and tireless efforts to put this
doc. for final comments</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I have had many comments but I could not finish the edits till now.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I therefore do not wish to delay the work.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">However, I have one VERY IMPORTANT edit that I raised it in my last
e-mail.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">That edit is relating to a reference to ICANN or Internet Process as
being «private led <span> </span>multistakeholder” <span> </span>organization or process.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">This is a mistake. a big mistake. There is no such preference to one
category of stakeholder over other categories of stakeholder (private or public) .</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I raised this matter at one of our call and asked for deletion of that
term.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">All stakeholder, irrespective being private, public, and etc. <b>SHALL </b><span> </span>be treated equally. This issue was raised at
various occasions by NTIA indicating / emphasizing that no single category of
the stakeholder should benefit from preference over other categories of
stakeholders .This term was used at very early stage of the introduction of the
ICANN into the business. Over the time when we discussed that the process
should be inclusive, democratic, then it was agreed by everybody that no
category of the stakeholder should have any preference, what so ever, or should
have <span> </span><span> </span>a preferred treatment over other categories of
the stakeholders.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In view of the above, I urge you to <span> </span>kindly correct such a big mistake which if it
is not corrected would put us in a very delicate situation that we did not
respect impartiality and neutrality in treating <span> </span>various categories of the stakeholders.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">There are 4 or 5 times that such a reference to »private led multistakeholder
are referred to in the doc.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Pls kindly make a simple «find" check and delete all that. <span> </span>Term in other part of doc. whenever, so as
reference is maded to multistakeholder there is no such an incorrect and
discriminative preference.</span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Regards</span></div><span><font color="#888888"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Kavouss </span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></font></span></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-02 9:01 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I have not finish edits .I am on page 50. However, in view of time time constrain, I have an important edit that is attached.</div><div>The same edit should be carried forward elsewhere throughout the entire document . please then search for " private sector led " and DELETE THAT . I mentioned in one of the call .See Attached doc. </div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2015-05-02 3:34 GMT+02:00 Samantha Eisner <span dir="ltr"><<a>Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div>
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<div>Dear CCWG, </div>
<div>Attached please find some proposed edits for consideration.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Grace Abuhamad <<a>grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, May 1, 2015 at 3:52 PM<span><br>
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<div>Hi all, </div>
<div>Just a reminder than edits, comments are due in approximately 3h. Thank you to those who sent edits earlier today. If you must send late edits, please send a note to the Chairs<u> with staff in copy</u> to give us notice that your comments will be delayed.
Best to stick to the deadline, but we know everyone is working hard to get this draft report ready, and we’d rather get your comments than not at all.</div>
<div>Have a good weekend, </div>
<div>Grace</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Grace Abuhamad <<a>grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:19 AM<br>
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<div>We sent the V10 draft report earlier today (in UTC) but have been notified that, in some cases, the files are too large to download from the email attachments. As a reminder, the draft (redline and clean versions) are posted on the Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Draft+Report" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Draft+Report</a>. </div>
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<div>Looking forward to receiving your comments and edits,</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Grace Abuhamad <<a>grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 9:22 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Accountability Cross Community <<a>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div style="font-size:14px">Dear all, </div>
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<div style="font-size:14px">Here attached is the CCWG-Accountability Draft Report V10. I have attached a redline and a clean version (in Word and PDF). </div>
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<div style="font-size:14px">Version 10 incorporates the following: </div>
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<li>Changes from the CCWG-Accountability call on Thursday 30 April at 05:00 UTC</li><li>Edits from legal counsel (Sidley and Adler)</li><li>Approval from the CWG-Stewardship Chairs/Client Committee regarding incorporation of CWG-Stewardship recommendations</li><li>Edits from Chairs and Rapporteurs </li></ul>
</span><div><font color="#ff0000">Please send your edits, comments, etc to the mailing list by<b><span style="font-size:16px">Saturday 2 May 01:00 UTC</span></b></font>
<font color="#ff0000" style="font-size:14px">(24h from now)</font>. Staff will incorporate the edits over the weekend so as to release a final version for Public Comment on Monday, 4 May. <i style="font-size:14px">If possible, edits are appreciate in track
changes in the <u>clean</u> version so that they are <u>clearly marked and visible</u>.
</i>There will be professional formatting and copyediting done before publication, so we suggest that your time my be best spent by focusing on the substance-related edits. </div><span>
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<div style="font-size:14px">Also, please remember to submit your feedback regarding the XPlane graphics by Saturday as well. Adam will send a reminder re: XPlane. </div>
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<div style="font-size:14px">Almost there!</div>
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