<p dir="ltr">+1. For Roelof's comments on captioned subject matter.<br>
Respect is due to all community members who participated and worked very hard on this proposal. <br>
RD</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 6, 2015 11:37 AM, "Roelof Meijer" <<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear ccTLD colleagues,<br>
<br>
It is with reluctance that I react to this thread, but I feel obliged to<br>
do so.<br>
Reluctance, because I prefer to ignore Eberhard Lisse when he sends out<br>
one of his quite characteristic emails.<br>
Obliged, however, because as his advice to you on how to deal with the<br>
request for community feed-back on the CCWG-Accountability Work Stream 1<br>
proposals published on 4 May, he "strongly urge[s] all ccTLD Managers to<br>
strongly oppose this rubbish².<br>
<br>
I consider that to be very poor, even irresponsible, advice, and urge you<br>
to read the report and give your feed-back. If you don¹t agree; let us<br>
know, if you have suggestions for improvements; tell us. But above all:<br>
give us guidance with your opinion on the specific issues that we ask your<br>
feed-back on in the report.<br>
<br>
The Enhancement of ICANN¹s Accountability is an inseparable part of the<br>
IANA Stewardship Transition, a conditio sine qua non. The successful<br>
transition of the IANA Stewardship is a necessity for the global, single<br>
internet to develop to it¹s maximum potential.<br>
However, we will not have a second chance any time soon and thus we cannot<br>
afford to fail. The final proposals to enhance ICANN¹s accountability and<br>
to transition to IANA Stewardship are the ultimate test of the<br>
multi-stakeholder model and failure would, in the end, mean the end of<br>
that model.<br>
<br>
So you cannot even afford to ignore the CCWG draft proposals, or any other<br>
proposal in this process. Unless maybe if you want to get rid of the<br>
multi-stakeholder model...<br>
<br>
Like Eberhard Lisse, I am one of the ccTLD Community¹s participants in the<br>
CCWG. Very unlike Eberhard Lisse, I am proud of what the CCWG published on<br>
4 May. It is certainly not perfect, it surely is not complete and it is<br>
definitely not final. The timeline, the enormous amount of work, the<br>
unknown territories we had to explore and insights and opinions we had to<br>
unite, made the process quite painful at times.<br>
But the result -and in the end that is what really counts- is good. To be<br>
honest: far better then I expected.<br>
And quite solid enough to ask your feed-back on. So it can be improved.<br>
<br>
Our three co-chairs Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert and León Felipe<br>
Sánchez-Ambia deserve no criticism, but our deep respect. For their<br>
leadership and guidance, for the substance they brought and also for the<br>
way they acted on feed-back from the group or individual<br>
members/participants.<br>
They were -and are- real assets in this process. Eberhard Lisse, in my<br>
opinion, is not.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Roelof A. Meijer<br>
CEO<br>
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On 06-05-15 07:44, "Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>Dear Byron, Dear Colleagues,<br>
><br>
>To set the record straight, Dr Lisse's statements about the violation of<br>
>the CCWG Accountability Charter and the dynamics of the group are a<br>
>misrepresentation of facts. Speaking of facts, we are more than happy to<br>
>provide details in response to the accusations as well as explanations<br>
>we gave to Dr Lisse on the public mailing list, to support our statement.<br>
><br>
>We would also note for the benefit of readers of these lists that Dr<br>
>Lisse has filed countless objections against almost everything the CCWG<br>
>did since it started. Participants and members of the CCWG have<br>
>expressed to the co-chairs that they consider Dr Lisse's behaviour as an<br>
>attempt to discredit the work of fellow volunteers and derail the work<br>
>of the group.<br>
><br>
>We will not burden everyone on the lists that were cc-ed with details,<br>
>especially when we have the opportunity to discuss and engage on<br>
>substance. But we wanted to set this record straight, and express our<br>
>deep sadness about the use of such a process within the ccTLD community.<br>
><br>
>That being said, we encourage other ccTLD members and participants in<br>
>the CCWG to express their views related to the substance of the proposals.<br>
><br>
>Best,<br>
>Thomas Rickert and Mathieu Weill, co-chairs<br>
><br>
>Le 05/05/2015 11:36, Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :<br>
>> [sorry for the double post, technical issue]<br>
>> Dear Byron,<br>
>><br>
>> as tmember appointed by the (chartering) ccNSO to the CCWG<br>
>> Accountability I have followed the Charter, in particular in raising<br>
>> my concerns of my points consistently being ignored and rejected by<br>
>> the Co-Chairs of this CCWG, one of whom is Mathieu Weill, the<br>
>> posting of whom, herein-under, I wish to address, "through the<br>
>> chair".<br>
>><br>
>> Please assure that staff forwards this to all Council Members who do<br>
>> not have access to the above lists.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> These "current proposals" have been arrived at in violation of the<br>
>> Charter, without the necessary Consensus Call for all positions, and<br>
>> in violation of the Charter by refusing the opportunity to attach<br>
>> minority views.<br>
>><br>
>> They also have been rushed over the objection of myself in which I<br>
>> have been joined in various degrees, shape or form by appointed<br>
>> members of every constituency chartering, even several GAC members<br>
>> expressing themselves in this regard.<br>
>><br>
>> This was done in order to get "something" passed prior to a non<br>
>> existing deadline instead of doing this carefully, thoroughly and<br>
>> inclusively.<br>
>><br>
>> As usual the gNSO members and in particular un-appointed<br>
>> participants representing large interests were/are the driving force<br>
>> behind this rush-job.<br>
>><br>
>> The document is so convoluted that an expensive graphics company was<br>
>> hired for several months to generate these professional graphics in<br>
>> order to just be able to understand the document.<br>
>><br>
>> Even Mathieu doesn't understand it, because he not only refers to it<br>
>> as a "report" which under the Charter REQUIRES a Consensus Call and<br>
>> attachment of minority views, if any, and he alleges that it has any<br>
>> relevance to ccTLDs, which is has not.<br>
>><br>
>> The community he refers to is ill defined, and in any case the ccNSO<br>
>> has no mandate whatsoever to act on decisions, acts or omissions<br>
>> affecting individual ccTLDs.<br>
>><br>
>> According to the Charter the CCWG must address ALL accountability<br>
>> issues with the exception of administrative and operational IANA<br>
>> issues, which were to have been addressed by CWG Stewardship, where<br>
>> they were not being addressed, of course.<br>
>><br>
>> This was used to refuse and/or ignore any request that had anything<br>
>> to do with the root zone and/or the IANA Function, in particular the<br>
>> fundamental issues, which remain unresolved.<br>
>><br>
>> I will post something like this into the Comment Box for the record,<br>
>> but I strongly urge all ccTLD Managers to strongly oppose this<br>
>> rubbish.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Finally, I am personally offended by him thanking the ccTLD members<br>
>> and characterizing their participation, in particular since hardly<br>
>> any input by ccTLD members/participants had any effect on ccTLD<br>
>> Managers' positions, and because he does not mean it.<br>
>><br>
>> For me it is not a pleasure to work in this CCWG and in particular<br>
>> not an honor to work with him and any other of the other Co-Chairs.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> el<br>
>><br>
>> On 2015-05-05 07:53, Mathieu Weill wrote:<br>
>>> Thank you Gabi for sharing this announcement.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In addition to the public comment announcement<br>
>>><br>
>>>(<a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ccwg-accountability-draft-proposa" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ccwg-accountability-draft-proposa</a><br>
>>>l-2015-05-04-en)<br>
>>> the CCWG-Accountability produced some graphics describing the current<br>
>>> proposals (PDF,<br>
>>><br>
>>><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52897394/XPL_CCWG_Illus" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52897394/XPL_CCWG_Illus</a><br>
>>>tratedConcepts_v2.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430799940397&api=v2)<br>
>>> , which you might find helpful, although of course nothing replaces<br>
>>> reading the actual report.<br>
>>><br>
>>> While this report is not focused on IANA, it is very relevant to ccTLDs<br>
>>> : it addresses the accountability enhancements requested by the CWG<br>
>>>Iana<br>
>>> stewardship transition latest proposal, proposes additional powers for<br>
>>> the community, including the ccNSO, and strongly reinforces Icannn's<br>
>>> appeal mechanisms.<br>
>>><br>
>>> For more details, the CCWG-Accountability will hold two identical<br>
>>> webinars at different times to facilitate participation across time<br>
>>> zones. The webinars will take place on:<br>
>>><br>
>>> 11 May from 11:00 12:30 UTC<br>
>>> 11 May from 19:00 20:30 UTC<br>
>>><br>
>>> Details can be found here :<br>
>>> <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-05-04-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-05-04-en</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> I seize this opportunity to thank all ccTLD members and participants to<br>
>>> this group. They have done a tremendous job, demonstrating the value of<br>
>>> ccTLD inputs to the overall community. As co-chair, it is a great<br>
>>> pleasure and an honour to work with such a team.<br>
>>><br>
>>> We are now more than ever in listening mode and look forward to your<br>
>>> questions and feedbacks.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best regards,<br>
>>> Mathieu<br>
>> [...]<br>
>><br>
><br>
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