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Dear Chris, All,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for explaining the concern through this step by step
scenario. This is taking us closer to a stress test approach, which
is not only valuable but also mandatory for our group, as per our
Charter. I understand your concern is (quoting your email) "handing
ultimate authority to a state based American court and allowing it
to make binding and precedent setting decisions about the
interpretation of ICANN’s mission." <br>
<br>
There is however something I do not understand in your "steps": <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 21/05/2015 03:45, Chris Disspain a
écrit :<br>
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<font class="" color="#444444">Second, I would like to use a
step-by-step scenario to explain where my concerns lie. Under
the CCWG’s currently proposed mechanisms:</font><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana'; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102,
102, 102);"><font class="" color="#444444"></font>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;"
class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">1. The community, pursuant to powers
defined in a “fundamental bylaw”, and through a vote of
that meeting the required threshold for </span><span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);
text-indent: -18pt; white-space: pre;"> </span><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;"
class="">support, directs the Board to do X</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">2. The Board refuses to do
X because it maintains that X is outside of the mission of
ICANN</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">3. The community triggers escalation
mechanisms</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">4. Escalation proceeds to binding
arbitration (as defined by another fundamental bylaw)</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">5. The arbitrator finds in favour of the
community and directs ICANN to do X</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">6. The Board refuses to act, citing,
again, that it believes the action is outside of ICANN’s
mission</span></div>
<div style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"
class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent:
-18pt;" class="">7. After the necessary community votes
etc., the community now heads to court. In the State of
California.</span></div>
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<font color="#444444"><br>
I have four questions : <br>
- In your scenario the community would "mission creep". I am not
clear how in our report the community would direct the Board to do
X. Community powers as we have defined them are restricted to
reject / review on budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify this part
of the scenario ? <br>
- If the Board refuses to act on the arbitrator findings, why
would the community turn to California Court instead of </font>recall
the Board ? <br>
- Given that there was a a binding arbitration decision directing
Icann to do X, my understanding was that the court of California
would have very limited grounds to turn the decision around. Is that
not already addressing the concern of allowing a court of california
to decide on what is or is not within Icann's mission ? <br>
- And finally, is it not the case today that a Court of California
could make such a binding decision ? <br>
<br>
Best<br>
Mathieu<br>
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cite="mid:8B38ACA7-E10D-4E8B-8501-8DDB6DFBB448@auda.org.au"
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444">As I understand it, the role of the court
in this scenario would be to determine whether the Board
is acting in a way that is serving the public interest
within ICANN’s mission. It would not be to decide whether,
on balance, the community was ‘more right’ than the
Board. </font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444">Right now as a global multi-stakeholder
body we decide the nuances of the meaning of ICANN’s
mission and the way ICANN acts under that mission by using
the multi-stakeholder process and by compromise
and nuanced decision making.</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444">If we agree to the CCWG recommendations we
will not be handing ultimate authority to the members but
rather we will be handing ultimate authority to a state
based American court and allowing it to make binding and
precedent setting decisions about the interpretation
of ICANN’s mission. </font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444">Does the ICANN community</font><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);" class=""> really want the
specific nuances of ICANN’s mission to be held up to
scrutiny and have decisions made, at the highest level,
through such a mechanism? Whilst that may give comfort to,
for example, US members of the
intellectual property community or US listed registries,
it gives me no comfort whatsoever.</span></div>
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<p class="p2">Cheers,</p>
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<div class="">On 21 May 2015, at 07:51 , Burr, Becky <<a
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href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" class="">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><font
class="">The “enforceability" issue is not
about litigation at all, and it isn</font>’<font
class="">t really about </font>whether the
Board or some newly invented group is more
likely to get it right<font class="">. Rather,
it</font>’s about checks and balances. <font
class="">Without the membership structure, the
revised bylaws that empower the community to
block certain actions, for example, are by
definition advisory – they impose no<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class=""><b class="">legal</b></i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>obligation
whatsoever on the Board and staff. </font>I
don’t dispute that the Board would have a
compelling interest in respecting community
input, but as a legal matter without the
membership structure,<font class=""> the Board
would be </font><b class="">required</b><font
class=""> to treat any community vote to
block, for example, as merely advisory and
would have an affirmative obligation to do
what it concludes is consistent with its
fiduciary duty. The membership model
affirmatively shifts some of that fiduciary
responsibility to the community. It’s not a
statement of who is right or wrong, but who
has authority. </font></font><font
style="font-family: Arial;" class="">Steve
raises a reasonable question about how the
members/unincorporated associations are
accountable to their respective communities.
But IMHO, the legitimate questions and concerns
in this debate are getting obscured by </font><font
style="font-family: Arial;" class="">polarizing
language and assertions that it’s inappropriate
to express a particular point of view.</font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><br
class="">
</font></div>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><font
class="">The argument that there are no
examples of situations </font>that did
result or would have resulted in the community
acting as one against an action or decision of
the ICANN Board.<font class="">” </font><font
class="">The community has never had any
authority or tool to do so, so the fact that
it never has is irrelevant and the assertion
that it would not have is speculation. I
certainly would have tried to get the
community to overturn the Board’s decision
to abandon the substantive standard for IRPs
in favor of the “good faith” test. As it
happens, none of the existing review and
redress mechanisms would have worked in that
case, and they probably </font><font
class="">wouldn’t work in the future either.</font></font></div>
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style="font-weight: bold;" class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Steve
DelBianco <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>><br
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Wednesday,
May 20, 2015 at 12:37 PM<br class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"Chartier,
Mike S" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>, Steve
Crocker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>,
Keith Drazek <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br
class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Accountability
Community <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br
class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br class="">
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<div class="">I don’t think there’s any question
that the Board’s primary duty (not their only
duty) is to ICANN the Corporation. In addition
to Mike’s citation of ICANN bylaws Section 7
(below), see ICANN’s Management Operating
Principles (2008): </div>
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<div class="">"The third and perhaps most
critical point of tension is between the
accountability to the participating
community to perform functions in keeping
with the expectations of the community and
the corporate and legal responsibilities of
the Board to meet its fiduciary
obligations.”</div>
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<div class="">Source: <span style="font-size:
9pt; font-family: Arial;" class=""> ICANN
Accountability & Transparency Frameworks
and Principles, Jan-2008, p.5, at<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"
class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_acct-2Dtrans-2Dframeworks-2Dprinciples-2D10jan08-2Den.pdf&d=AwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=N94BFwt7XlN1luKY2YsAlg92HkXfJ8UfYuQCH-3B3bY&s=-nHIJ38MbHZo2QiXUiLPqBi6YeaesFEbRqTO3RL3Jew&e="
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08-en.pdf</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial;
color: blue;" class=""> </span></div>
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223);" class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"Chartier,
Mike S"<br class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Wednesday,
May 20, 2015 at 9:56 AM<br class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Steve
Crocker, Keith Drazek<br class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Accountability
Cross Community<br class="">
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br class="">
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">No comment on actual
practice, but from a textual basis
(which is what matters now since we are
debating new text), I can’t see any
inconsistency between the following
statements:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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73, 125);" class="">“</span><span
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class="" lang="EN">Directors shall
serve as individuals who have the duty
to act in what they reasonably believe
are the best interests of ICANN and
not as representatives of the entity
that selected them, their employers,
or any other organizations or
constituencies.</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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73, 125);" class="">“</span>the ICANN
Board, which has a fiduciary obligation
to first serve the interests of the
corporation,<span style="font-size:
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class=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple;
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class="">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
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href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steve
Crocker<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday,
May 20, 2015 9:47 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek,
Keith<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability
Cross Community<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">I didn’t take it
personally. I took it as a factually
inaccurate statement that creates
misunderstanding. Future boards are bound
by the same rules as the past and current
boards. The language you used is taken by
many as a basis for believing there is a
significant difference in alignment toward
public responsibility between the ICANN
Board and some newly invented grouping of
community members. It ain’t so and it’s
inappropriate to suggest so.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Steve<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">On May 20, 2015,
at 9:39 AM, Drazek, Keith <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px
40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"
class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class=""><br class="">
<span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"
class="">Steve,</span></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""
type="cite">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">With all due
respect, I think you’re taking
this too personally and/or
making it too personal. This
is not about the current ICANN
Board.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">None of us
know what future ICANN Boards
will do, or what future ICANN
Boards will permit ICANN’s
management to do. Will future
Boards always exercise
appropriate oversight over
management? Could there be
instances where ICANN’s legal
counsel advises a future Board
to make a decision that is
counter to the interests of
the community to protect the
financial interests of the
corporation?</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">I see the
proposed community membership
structure simply as a check on
the power of the Board,
nothing more. It’s not about
“controlling” or replacing the
Board. The Board has its
legitimate function, but its
decisions cannot be
unchallengeable. The community
must have the ability to tell
the Board it got a decision
wrong and to enforce the will
of the multi-stakeholder
community in rare/limited
instances and based on a very
high threshold of community
agreement/consensus.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">I would
certainly trust the proposed
community members,
representing their SOs and
ACs, to be balanced, inclusive
and trustworthy in protecting
the interests of the overall
community -- in their role as
the aforementioned check on
the powers of the Board. Not
as a replacement.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">Would you
trust a future Board of
sixteen unknown individuals
more than you trust the
multi-stakeholder, bottom-up,
consensus-based community and
process? It appears so.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">I stand by and
reaffirm my previous email. I
hope my clarification helps.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">Sincerely,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">Keith</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="border-style: solid
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<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;"
class=""> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif;" class="">Steve
Crocker [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span
style="color: purple;"
class="">mailto:steve@shinkuro.com</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:27 AM<br
class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek,
Keith<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen
D. Crocker; Chris
Disspain; Accountability
Cross Community;<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span
style="color: purple;"
class="">mshears@cdt.org</span></a>;<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span
style="color: purple;"
class="">egmorris1@toast.net</span></a><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding
UAs</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">On
May 20, 2015, at 7:44 AM,
Drazek, Keith <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span
style="color: purple;"
class="">kdrazek@verisign.com</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Hi
Chris,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">I
think there's a
fundamental flaw in your
assessment. You appear to
be looking at this
question through the lens
of the past and present,
where NTIA holds the
enforcement function
("enforceability") through
its ability to rebid and
transfer the IANA
functions contract if the
ICANN Board and management
acts inappropriately. That
is the existing and
necessary check on the
Board's decision-making
power. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Without
NTIA in its current role,
the community MUST have
the ability to check the
Board's power, and the
only way to secure that
check is to create legal
enforceability. Otherwise,
the Board has ultimate
authority, even if its
decisions are inconsistent
with the interests and
desires of the community
ICANN is supposed to
serve.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">You
are proposing a transfer
of power from NTIA to the
ICANN Board, which has a
fiduciary obligation to
first serve the interests
of the corporation.
Alternatively, proponents
of legal enforceability
are in favor of
transferring final
authority to ICANN's
multi-stakeholder
community.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Keith,
Edward and Edward,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">We
have covered the point above
several times and it’s long
past time to stop throwing
this half-trust around.
Yes, ICANN is legally a
corporation, and, yes,
directors of a corporation
have a duty to protect the
corporation. But that
generality has a far
different meaning in a for
profit corporation like
Verisign than it does in a
not-for-profit public
benefit corporation like
ICANN. The directors are
obliged to pursue the
purpose and mission stated
in the incorporation papers
and the bylaws. The
directors serve the
community, and we do so by
exercising oversight over
the corporation toward that
end.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">There
will always be differences
of opinion about the
particular details, but
those sorts of differences
of opinion will arise in
*any* governance model. The
prevailing assumption in
much of the correspondence
on this list is that the
proposed members will
somehow be more balanced,
more inclusive and more
trustworthy in protecting
the interests of the overall
community than the ICANN
Board is. That’s simply
false. And I think you know
that it is.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Please
correct yourself and
apologize.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Thanks,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Steve<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">We
should all be looking at
this through the lens of
the future, when NTIA no
longer holds the tether
and is only participating
through the GAC. How do
we, the multi-stakeholder
community, ensure that
ICANN and its future
Boards and management are
truly accountable once the
NTIA back-stop is gone? <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">The
answer is to ensure the
Board's decisions, in very
limited areas, can be
challenged and overturned
by a significant majority
of the community. We need
to protect against the
"catastrophic" scenario
you referenced. According
to our independent legal
advisors, the best (and
perhaps only) way to
guarantee this is through
legal enforceability. <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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asked, <i class="">"Is
addressing this most
unlikely scenario worth
the significant
structural changes a
membership model would
require?"<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>I
believe the answer is yes.
Not only worth it, but
necessary.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On May 20, 2015, at 2:40 AM,
Chris Disspain <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span
style="color: purple;"
class="">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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class="">For clarity,
the last sentence of
paragraph 8 below should
read:</span><o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in
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'Times New Roman',
serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
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color: rgb(68, 68,
68);" class="">"However, I
cannot think of a
single example of a
failure throughout the
history of ICANN that
did result or would
have resulted in the
community acting as
one against an action
or decision of the
ICANN Board."</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<p class="p1"
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style="font-size:
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<p class="p2"
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style="font-size:
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<p class="p2"
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style="font-size:
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class="">On 20
May 2015, at
16:13 , Chris
Disspain <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class=""><span
style="color:
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class="">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
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class="">Jordan,
All,</span><o:p
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class=""><span
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class="">Thank
you Jordan,
for attempting
to bring some
focus to the
current
discussion
about the UA
model,
membership
structures and
all of the
related
issues.</span><o:p
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class=""><span
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class="">First
of all, I want
to acknowledge
that I concur
with you on a
number points.</span><o:p
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class=""><span
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class="">I
agree that we
need to
develop a
model that
disrupts
ICANN’s
operation as
little as
possible. We
can argue
about how much
disruption is
either
possible or
preferable,
but the
principle is
agreed. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""> </span><o:p
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class="">I
also agree
that levels of
accountability
are not “up to
scratch” and,
irrespective
of the model
we arrive at
post-transition,
these need to
be
improved. Many
of the
improvements
proposed by
the CCWG: to
the IRP,
reconsideration
mechanisms and
the role of
the ombudsman,
the
introduction
of fundamental
bylaws and
binding
arbitration,
and the
empowerment of
the community
to spill the
ICANN Board,
are also
supported. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
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class="">However,
where I
disagree with
you is in
respect to the
absolute need
for an <i
class="">additional</i> mechanism,
to supersede
the current
IANA functions
contract, in
order to
ensure that
the community
can ‘control’
the Board because
it has the
right to bring
a legal action
in a US
court. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">I
disagree with
the
characterisation
that the
purpose of the
CCWG’s work is
to wrest
“control” from
the ICANN
Board and
deliver it to
the
community. From
your email, I
gather that
you are
fundamentally
tying the
concept of
control to
“enforceability”,
neither of
which are
goals for the
current
process. Rather,
I believe we
are aiming to
deliver a
structure
where ICANN
and
its Board are
held
accountable to
the community,
via the number
of
improvements I
mentioned
above.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">The
need to assert
absolute
“control” or
enforceability
could only
arise in the
most
catastrophic
of
circumstances. If
we assume a
situation
where proposed
mechanisms for
escalation,
independent
review, <i
class="">binding </i>arbitration
and direct
instruction by
the SOs and
ACs are not
acknowledged
by ICANN,
wouldn’t the
entire
multi-stakeholder
model be
irreparably
broken? Is
addressing
this most
unlikely
scenario worth
the
significant
structural
changes a
membership
model would
require? </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">Further,
you refer to a
“long list” of
community
concerns about
ICANN’s
current
operations. I
wonder whether
these concerns
are actually
held by
individuals
(or individual
constituencies)
on particular
issues and
have been
aggregated in
to a larger
picture of
overall
community
dissatisfaction? Concerns
by distinct
groups on
particular
topics can
certainly be
dealt with by
the increased
robustness
proposed to
ICANN’s bylaws
and
operations.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>However, I cannot think of a
single example
of a failure
throughout the
history of
ICANN that did
result or
would have
resulted in
the community
as one against
an action or
decision of
the ICANN
Board. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">To be
clear – I am
100%
supportive of
improvements
to
accountability. I
believe that
the CCWG has
initiated extremely
useful work in
identifying
these
mechanisms.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">I
remain
unconvinced
regarding the
argument that
accountability=control=enforceability,
and the
subsequent
recommendations
of the CCWG
that arise
from this
assumption.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">Cheers,</span><o:p
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class="">Chris</span><o:p
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<blockquote
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class="">On 20
May 2015, at
15:33 , Jordan
Carter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class=""><span
style="color:
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class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p
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class="">We
need legal
persons to be
members of
ICANN.</span><o:p
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can be
individual
humans or they
can be
organisations.</span><o:p
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class="">UAs
are the
lightest
touch, most
easily
controlled,
non-human form
of person that
can fit this
mould.</span><o:p
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class="">I do
not understand
the propensity
of parts of
our community
to
over-complicate
things that
look
reasonably
straight
forward from
other points
of view. Has
ICANN always
been like
this? (Answers
own question -
it can't have
been,
otherwise it
would never be
organised the
way it is
today....)</span><o:p
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class="">On 20
May 2015 at
17:21, Alan
Greenberg<span
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class="">Avri,
I think that
you are
generally
correct. We
are putting
this entire
infrastructure
in place
because we
want to be
able to take
ICANN or the
Board to court
if they do not
follow the
rules. I tend
to agree with
the auDA
comment that
if it ever
gets to that
stage, we are
REALLY in
trouble, and a
simple court
decision is
not likelt to
fix it.<br
class="">
<br class="">
But that
nothwithstanding,
we supposedly
ned that UA
because they
can take legal
action. But if
the UA
representatives
do not listen
to the SO/AC.
the SO/AC
cannot take
that rep to
court, because
the SO/AC has
no legal
persona. So we
are again left
with a
discontinuity
where
something is
largely
unenforceable
and we have to
take it on
faith that
they will do
the right
thing.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Of course, the
UA reps and
the Board
members we
select are
basically
drawn from the
same pool,
perhaps
separated by a
few years.<br
class="">
<br class="">
The difference
between a
Board member
and a UA rep
is the Board
member has a
duty to the
corporation,
and the UA rep
can, in
theory, be
required to
take
instruction
from the
SO/AC. But
enforcing that
theory may be
the rub.</span><span
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At 20/05/2015
12:41 AM, Avri
Doria wrote:</span><o:p
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class="">Hi,<br
class="">
<br class="">
I think I
understand the
argument about
members
becoming that
to which<br
class="">
ICANN, and its
Board, are
responsible
and
accountable.
From that<br
class="">
perspective it
sounds really
good.<br
class="">
<br class="">
What I have
having trouble
understanding
is an
accountability
structure<br
class="">
were there is
a
discontinuity
between the
SOAC and the
UA. If each
of<br class="">
the Board
designating
SOAC were the
UA, it think I
would
understand.<br
class="">
But I just do
not see how
the UA are
accountable to
the people and<br
class="">
organizations
that
participate in
each of the
SOAC. Yes, the
SOAC<br
class="">
designates it
UA
representative,
but how is
(s)electing
one of these
any<br
class="">
more
accountable
than
(s)electing
the Board as
we do now.
Don't we just<br
class="">
move the
perceived/possible
unaccountability
down a layer
in the
hierarchy?<br
class="">
<br class="">
I think I am
as comfortable
with
complexity as
the next
person. And I<br
class="">
understand how
in computer
science any
problem can
solved by
adding<br
class="">
another layer
of
indirection,
but in this
case the extra
layer we are<br
class="">
creating does
not seem to
really be
accountable to
anyone but
itself,<br
class="">
except by
(s)election
procedures.<br
class="">
<br class="">
I am sure I am
missing some
critical bit
of
understanding
and hope<br
class="">
someone can
explain the
chain of
accountability
in the
membership<br
class="">
model. I feel
that we are
still
hand-waving a
bit in the
explanations.<br
class="">
In a sense it
seems as if we
are creating a
'council' that
is omnipotent<br
class="">
in the powers
it is given,
except that
they can
somehow be
replaced.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Thanks and
apologies for
my persistent
confusion.<br
class="">
<br class="">
avri<br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
On 20-May-15
01:14, Jordan
Carter wrote:<br
class="">
> Hi all<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> This
thread is
useful to
tease out some
of the
questions and
concerns<br
class="">
> and
confusions
with the UA
model, and as
rapporteur for
the WP<br
class="">
>
responsible
for refining
this part of
the proposal I
am reading it
avidly.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> I just
want to take
the
opportunity to
remind us all
why membership<br
class="">
> (or
something
analogous) is
an important
aspect of the
reforms we are<br
class="">
> proposing
- no matter
the precise
details.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> At the
moment without
members, ICANN
is
fundamentally
controlled by<br
class="">
> the
Board. The
only external
constraint is
the IANA
functions
contract<br
class="">
> with
NTIA. The long
list of
community
concerns and
examples
detailed<br
class="">
> by our
earlier work
in this CCWG
shows that
even with that
constraint,<br
class="">
>
accountability
isn't up to
scratch.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> We are
working on a
settlement
without that
NTIA contract.<br
class="">
>
Accountability
has to get
better even
*with* the
contract.<br
class="">
>
Fundamentally
better,
without it.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> Either we
have a
membership
structure or
some other
durable
approach<br
class="">
> that
firmly embeds
the
stewardship of
ICANN and the
DNS in the
ICANN<br
class="">
>
community,
or... we
remain with
Board control.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> Given
ICANN's
history,
anyone who is
advocating a
continuation
of<br class="">
> Board
control is
arguing for a
model that
can't be
suitably<br
class="">
>
accountable,
and that seems
highly likely
to fail over
time, with
real<br
class="">
> risks to
the security
and stability
of the DNS.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> A real,
fundamental
source of
power over the
company absent
the<br
class="">
> contract
*has* to be
established.
The membership
model is the
most<br
class="">
> suitable
one to achieve
that that we
have
considered so
far.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> So: we
need to be
creative and
thoughtful in
how we make
that model<br
class="">
> work in a
fashion that
disrupts
ICANN's
general
operation as
little as<br
class="">
> possible.
But the key
there is "as
possible."
Real change is
needed<br
class="">
> and much
refinement and
comment is
needed.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> If there
are proposals
to achieve the
same shift in
control from
ICANN<br
class="">
> the
corporation to
ICANN the
community, I
hope they come
through in<br
class="">
> the
comment
period. So
far, none have
- but there
are still two
weeks<br
class="">
> of
comments to
go.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> cheers<br
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> Jordan<br
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><br
class="">
><br
class="">
> On 20 May
2015 at 10:45,
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><br
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> This
whole thread
seems to have
massively
overcomplicated
the<br
class="">
>
question.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
><br
class="">
>
Unless I have
missed
something, the
only reason we
need "members"<br
class="">
> is to<br
class="">
> stand
as
plaintiff-of-record
in a lawsuit
against the
ICANN Board<br
class="">
>
complaining
that the Board
has failed to
adhere to the
corporations<br
class="">
>
bylaws. Such
a lawsuit
would in
reality be
conducted by
an SO or<br
class="">
> AC,
but<br
class="">
> a
person with
legal
personality
needs to act
as
plaintiff-of-record.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> Why
not simply
proceed, as
Samantha
suggested,
with the
SOACs'<br
class="">
>
Chairs as<br
class="">
> the
members of the
corporation?
Could the
Articles (or
Bylaws, as<br
class="">
>
appropriate)
not simply
identify the
SOACs' Chairs
as the
members, ex<br
class="">
>
officio and
pro tempore?<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> An
SOAC Chair
that refused
to act as
plaintiff-of-record
when required<br
class="">
> to do
so by his SOAC
could simply
be replaced.
Likewise a
Chair that<br
class="">
> went
rogue and
initiated a
lawsuit
without their
consent.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> You
can't make the
SOAC a member
without
turning them
into UAs,<br
class="">
> with
all<br
class="">
> the
attendent
complexity.
But I don't
see that there
should be any<br
class="">
> such<br
class="">
>
problem with
designating
the chair of a
SOAC, who will
be a natural<br
class="">
>
person, as a
member of the
corporation;
the fact that
the SOAC is<br
class="">
> not a<br
class="">
> UA is
then
irrelevant.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> In
the event that
there were any
dispute as to
whether a
particular<br
class="">
>
person is in
truth an SOAC
Chair, this
would surely
be a simple<br
class="">
>
preliminary
matter of fact
for the court.
It is surely
beyond dispute<br
class="">
> that
if the
Articles
designated
"Alan
Greenberg" as
the member, it<br
class="">
> would<br
class="">
> be a
matter of fact
as to whether
or not the
person before
the<br
class="">
> court
was<br
class="">
>
indeed Alan
Greenberg;
surely it is
the same as to
whether the
person<br
class="">
>
before the
court is "the
current Chair
of ALAC", if
that should be<br
class="">
> what<br
class="">
> is
specified in
the Articles?<br
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><br
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>
Malcolm.<br
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