<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Chris,</div><div><br></div><div>My understanding is that in the US anyone </div><div>can sue anyone and venue is to a large extent</div><div>choice of plaintiff.</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>-- <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13pt; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Sent from </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Dr Lisse's iPhone 6</span></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On May 22, 2015, at 13:29, Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au">ceo@auda.org.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Hi Mathieu,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">See below. And thanks!<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 May 2015, at 20:16 , Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" class="">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Chris,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Thank you so much because I think this is a very useful discussion. I would try and reformulate to check if we are communicating before turning to lawyers or any further work :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">1) The scenario to assess is the case where the community rejects a budget because the community would like Icann to expand its actions into something that the Community feels is within the Mission while the Board feels it is outside of Icann's Mission, as described in the Bylaws. The Board would then be "stuck" between the community and its perceived obligation to not mission creep.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Basically, our discussion is starting to look like a stress test of this particular scenario: what would the current accountability mechanism enable ? what enhancements or changes would be brought by the proposed accountability framework ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, I agree that this is, in effect a stress test. My view is that such a scenario under our current structures would be sorted out between us all. </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">2) It is clear to me that our initial report does NOT say that legal action could only be undertaken if all other remedies have been exhausted (I don't even think it would be legally feasible).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>So, that means that that in my scenario the community could go straight to court at any point that the Board ‘refuses’ to act. I’m not saying that is necessarily ‘bad’ but it’s important to understand.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">3) You are asking clarification of several questions :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> * what the limited grounds are for a California Court to overturn an arbitration (IRP) decision ? (my own recollection of the IRP memos we received from counsel was : arbitration scope or procedure)</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Not sure I understand this. I don’t think the courts in California currently have jurisdiction so I’m not sure that they can, today, involve themselves as you suggest. </div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> * whether the proposed membership model would enable each UA to initiate legal action against Icann irrespective of what other parts of the community think ? (my understanding is : yes. But I guess that today if NARALO felt a decision was causing them prejudice they could sue Icann as well, so maybe we should reframe the question into : would there be a significant increase of the risk for Icann to be sued ?)</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I don’t know what the status of NARALO is (are they a legal entity) and I don’t know if they could in fact bring proceedings against ICANN. And if they could the question would be ‘about what could they sue?’. Obviously, a gTLD registry has a contract with ICANN and could therefore sue ICANN (and vice versa) in respect to the contract. But I don’t think they could sue in respect to ICANN’s bylaws generally. And neither I suspect could NARALO. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>So, yes, the question;</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;">would there be a significant increase of the risk for Icann to be sued ?</span></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>is a relevant one provided you and I are right and any member will be able to sue ICANN about any interpretation ICANN makes about its bylaws. Thinking about it, we should probably get clarity on all the areas that a member could sue on.</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Can you please confirm that we are on the same page here ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Assuming you’re fine with the above the, yes, we are on the same page.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">best</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Mathieu</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Le 22/05/2015 08:47, Chris Disspain a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:537A81D6-B016-4F8A-A492-0B9D09D632E7@auda.org.au" type="cite" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);" class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt;">Mathieu, </span></font></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;"><br class=""></span></font></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;">You've</span><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"> asked a series of questions which </span></font></font><font class="" color="#444444" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;">I have thought about very carefully. I acknowledge that the scenario I suggest is unlikely but your questions have led me to a further question which I pose below my responses to yours.</span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;"><br class=""></span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><i class=""><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">- In your scenario the community would "mission creep". I am not clear how in our report the community would direct the Board to do X. Community powers as we have defined them are restricted to reject / review on budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify this part of the scenario ?</span><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"> </span></i></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">I do believe that it is feasible that the Board could refuse the follow a community veto on a budget item because the board believes to do so would be a breach of the Board’s fiduciary duties to act in the interests of ICANN in accordance with ICANN’s mission. </span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i class=""><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">- If the Board refuses to act on the arbitrator findings, why would the community turn to California Court instead of </span>recall the Board ? </i><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">They may well turn to the recall mechanism but would they HAVE TO. Is it anticipated that the resort to legal action would only be possible once ALL OTHER REMEDIES have been exhausted? In other words, in effect the only thing a court would ever be asked to do is to enforce the communities spill of the Board? Or is it perhaps anticipated that the community to resort to the court at any stage along the escalation process?</div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i class=""><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt;">Given that there was a a binding arbitration decision directing Icann to do X, my understanding was that the court of California would have very limited grounds to turn the decision around. Is that not already addressing the concern of allowing a court of california to decide on what is or is not within Icann's mission ?</span><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></i></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> The key point is that irrespective of whether there are “limited grounds” for the court to reverse a decision or take a decision contrary to the views of the community,it could happen. The ultimate authority becomes the Californian legal system. <br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"><i class="">And finally, is it not the case today that a Court of California could make such a binding decision ? </i></span></font><br class=""><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;"><br class=""></span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;">I don’t believe so but stand to be corrected.</span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;"><br class=""></span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;">My question is an extension of the point I’ve made above about when the community can go to court. </span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;"><br class=""></span></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;">Am I correct in m</span></font><span class="" style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">y understanding that once we become a member based organisation, it would be open to any of the member UAs to use the court system to bring an action against ICANN. In other words if the ALAC UA (and I’m just using ALAC as an example) was concerned about ICANN’s interpretation of one of its non-fundamental by-laws then ALAC UA would have legal standing to bring an action in California irrespective of what other members think? </span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">May </span><font class="" face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 15px;">I ask that we get legal clarification on this point please?</span></font></div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><p class="p1"><br class=""></p><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);" class="">Cheers,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66); min-height: 16px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);" class="">Chris Disspain<span class="s1" style=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="s2" style="color: rgb(255, 147, 36);">|</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span>Chief Executive Officer</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);" class="">.au Domain Administration Ltd</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);" class="">T:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s3" style="text-decoration: underline;">+61 3 8341 4111</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span><span class="s2" style="color: rgb(255, 147, 36);">|</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span>F:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s3" style="text-decoration: underline;">+61 3 8341 4112</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(16, 63, 251);" class=""><span class="s4" style="color: rgb(66, 66, 66);">E:</span><span class="s1" style=""> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" class=""><span class="s5" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 0, 238);">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a> </span><span class="s6" style="color: rgb(255, 168, 39);">|</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span><span class="s4" style="color: rgb(66, 66, 66);">W:</span><span class="s7" style="color: rgb(108, 108, 108);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.auda.org.au/" class=""><span class="s8" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(16, 63, 251);">www.auda.org.au</span></a></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);" class="">auDA – Australia’s Domain Name Administrator</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 9px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(255, 168, 39); min-height: 11px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 May 2015, at 17:14 , Mathieu Weill <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" class="">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">Dear Chris, All,</span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">Many thanks for explaining the concern through this step by step scenario. This is taking us closer to a stress test approach, which is not only valuable but also mandatory for our group, as per our Charter. I understand your concern is (quoting your email) "handing ultimate authority to a state based American court and allowing it to make binding and precedent setting decisions about the interpretation of ICANN’s mission."<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">There is however something I do not understand in your "steps":<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Le 21/05/2015 03:45, Chris Disspain a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:8B38ACA7-E10D-4E8B-8501-8DDB6DFBB448@auda.org.au" type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font class="" color="#444444">Second, I would like to use a step-by-step scenario to explain where my concerns lie. Under the CCWG’s currently proposed mechanisms:</font><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">1. The community, pursuant to powers defined in a “fundamental bylaw”, and through a vote of that meeting the required threshold for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt; white-space: pre;"> </span><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">support, directs the Board to do X</span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">2. The Board refuses to do X because it maintains that X is outside of the mission of ICANN</span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">3. The community triggers escalation mechanisms</span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">4. Escalation proceeds to binding arbitration (as defined by another fundamental bylaw)</span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">5. The arbitrator finds in favour of the community and directs ICANN to do X</span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">6. The Board refuses to act, citing, again, that it believes the action is outside of ICANN’s mission</span></div><div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">7. After the necessary community votes etc., the community now heads to court. In the State of California.</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; text-indent: -18pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><br class=""></font></div></div></span></blockquote><font class="" color="#444444" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class="">I have four questions :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">- In your scenario the community would "mission creep". I am not clear how in our report the community would direct the Board to do X. Community powers as we have defined them are restricted to reject / review on budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify this part of the scenario ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">- If the Board refuses to act on the arbitrator findings, why would the community turn to California Court instead of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">recall the Board ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">- Given that there was a a binding arbitration decision directing Icann to do X, my understanding was that the court of California would have very limited grounds to turn the decision around. Is that not already addressing the concern of allowing a court of california to decide on what is or is not within Icann's mission ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">- And finally, is it not the case today that a Court of California could make such a binding decision ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">Best</span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">Mathieu</span><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><blockquote cite="mid:8B38ACA7-E10D-4E8B-8501-8DDB6DFBB448@auda.org.au" type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; text-indent: -18pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><br class=""></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444">As I understand it, the role of the court in this scenario would be to determine whether the Board is acting in a way that is serving the public interest within ICANN’s mission. It would not be to decide whether, on balance, the community was ‘more right’ than the Board. </font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><br class=""></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444">Right now as a global multi-stakeholder body we decide the nuances of the meaning of ICANN’s mission and the way ICANN acts under that mission by using the multi-stakeholder process and by compromise and nuanced decision making.</font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><br class=""></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444">If we agree to the CCWG recommendations we will not be handing ultimate authority to the members but rather we will be handing ultimate authority to a state based American court and allowing it to make binding and precedent setting decisions about the interpretation of ICANN’s mission. </font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444"><br class=""></font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font class="" color="#444444">Does the ICANN community</font><span class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> really want the specific nuances of ICANN’s mission to be held up to scrutiny and have decisions made, at the highest level, through such a mechanism? Whilst that may give comfort to, for example, US members of the intellectual property community or US listed registries, it gives me no comfort whatsoever.</span></div></div><br class=""><div class=""><p class="p1"><br class=""></p><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">Cheers,</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); min-height: 16px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">Chris Disspain<span class="s1" style=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="s2" style="color: rgb(255, 147, 36);">|</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span>Chief Executive Officer</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">.au Domain Administration Ltd</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">T:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s3" style="text-decoration: underline;">+61 3 8341 4111</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span><span class="s2" style="color: rgb(255, 147, 36);">|</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span>F:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="s3" style="text-decoration: underline;">+61 3 8341 4112</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(16, 63, 251);"><span class="s4" style="color: rgb(66, 66, 66);">E:</span><span class="s1" style=""> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" class=""><span class="s5" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 0, 238);">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a> </span><span class="s6" style="color: rgb(255, 168, 39);">|</span><span class="s1" style=""> </span><span class="s4" style="color: rgb(66, 66, 66);">W:</span><span class="s7" style="color: rgb(108, 108, 108);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.auda.org.au/" class=""><span class="s8" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(16, 63, 251);">www.auda.org.au</span></a></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">auDA – Australia’s Domain Name Administrator</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 9px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(255, 168, 39); min-height: 11px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(66, 66, 66);"><span class="s6" style="color: rgb(255, 168, 39);"><b class="">Important Notice</b></span><span class="s1" style=""><b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><b class="">-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. 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Please consider the environment before printing this email.</div></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 May 2015, at 07:51 , Burr, Becky <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" class="">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><font class="">The “enforceability" issue is not about litigation at all, and it isn</font>’<font class="">t really about </font>whether the Board or some newly invented group is more likely to get it right<font class="">. Rather, it</font>’s about checks and balances. <font class="">Without the membership structure, the revised bylaws that empower the community to block certain actions, for example, are by definition advisory – they impose no<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class=""><b class="">legal</b></i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>obligation whatsoever on the Board and staff. </font>I don’t dispute that the Board would have a compelling interest in respecting community input, but as a legal matter without the membership structure,<font class=""> the Board would be </font><b class="">required</b><font class=""> to treat any community vote to block, for example, as merely advisory and would have an affirmative obligation to do what it concludes is consistent with its fiduciary duty. The membership model affirmatively shifts some of that fiduciary responsibility to the community. It’s not a statement of who is right or wrong, but who has authority. </font></font><font class="" style="font-family: Arial;">Steve raises a reasonable question about how the members/unincorporated associations are accountable to their respective communities. But IMHO, the legitimate questions and concerns in this debate are getting obscured by </font><font class="" style="font-family: Arial;">polarizing language and assertions that it’s inappropriate to express a particular point of view.</font></div><div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><font class="">The argument that there are no examples of situations </font>that did result or would have resulted in the community acting as one against an action or decision of the ICANN Board.<font class="">” </font><font class="">The community has never had any authority or tool to do so, so the fact that it never has is irrelevant and the assertion that it would not have is speculation. I certainly would have tried to get the community to overturn the Board’s decision to abandon the substantive standard for IRPs in favor of the “good faith” test. As it happens, none of the existing review and redress mechanisms would have worked in that case, and they probably </font><font class="">wouldn’t work in the future either.</font></font></div><div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"> </font></div></div></div><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><font class="" color="#444444" face="Verdana,sans-serif"><span class="" style="font-size: 13px;"><br class=""></span></font></div><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">J. Beckwith Burr<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b class=""><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(6, 134, 88);">Neustar, Inc. /</span></b><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(6, 134, 88);">Office</span><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">: + 1.202.533.2932 <span class="" style="color: rgb(6, 134, 88);"> Mobile</span>: +1.202.352.6367 <span class="" style="color: rgb(6, 134, 88);">/ <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a> /<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.neustar.biz/" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">www.neustar.biz</a></span></span></div></div></div></div><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class="" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);"><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Steve DelBianco <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>><br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 12:37 PM<br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"Chartier, Mike S" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>, Steve Crocker <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>, Keith Drazek <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Accountability Community <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div class=""><div class="">I don’t think there’s any question that the Board’s primary duty (not their only duty) is to ICANN the Corporation. In addition to Mike’s citation of ICANN bylaws Section 7 (below), see ICANN’s Management Operating Principles (2008): </div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"The third and perhaps most critical point of tension is between the accountability to the participating community to perform functions in keeping with the expectations of the community and the corporate and legal responsibilities of the Board to meet its fiduciary obligations.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="">Source: <span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial;"> ICANN Accountability & Transparency Frameworks and Principles, Jan-2008, p.5, at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_acct-2Dtrans-2Dframeworks-2Dprinciples-2D10jan08-2Den.pdf&d=AwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=N94BFwt7XlN1luKY2YsAlg92HkXfJ8UfYuQCH-3B3bY&s=-nHIJ38MbHZo2QiXUiLPqBi6YeaesFEbRqTO3RL3Jew&e=" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt;">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08-en.pdf</span></a></span><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"> </span></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);"><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"Chartier, Mike S"<br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 9:56 AM<br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Steve Crocker, Keith Drazek<br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Accountability Cross Community<br class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" class=""><div link="blue" vlink="purple" class="" lang="EN-US"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">No comment on actual practice, but from a textual basis (which is what matters now since we are debating new text), I can’t see any inconsistency between the following statements:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span><span class="" lang="EN" style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Directors shall serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers, or any other organizations or constituencies.</span><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span>the ICANN Board, which has a fiduciary obligation to first serve the interests of the corporation,<span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">”</span><span class="" lang="EN" style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></blockquote><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></a></div><div class=""><div class="" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><b class=""><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steve Crocker<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:47 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek, Keith<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability Cross Community<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">I didn’t take it personally. I took it as a factually inaccurate statement that creates misunderstanding. Future boards are bound by the same rules as the past and current boards. The language you used is taken by many as a basis for believing there is a significant difference in alignment toward public responsibility between the ICANN Board and some newly invented<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>grouping of community members. It ain’t so and it’s inappropriate to suggest so.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Steve<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">On May 20, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Drazek, Keith <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br class=""><span class="" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Steve,</span></div></blockquote><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">With all due respect, I think you’re taking this too personally and/or making it too personal. This is not about the current ICANN Board.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">None of us know what future ICANN Boards will do, or what future ICANN Boards will permit ICANN’s management to do. Will future Boards always exercise appropriate oversight over management? Could there be instances where ICANN’s legal counsel advises a future Board to make a decision that is counter to the interests of the community to protect the financial interests of the corporation?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I see the proposed community membership structure simply as a check on the power of the Board, nothing more. It’s not about “controlling” or replacing the Board. The Board has its legitimate function, but its decisions cannot be unchallengeable. The community must have the ability to tell the Board it got a decision wrong and to enforce the will of the multi-stakeholder community in rare/limited instances and based on a very high threshold of community agreement/consensus.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would certainly trust the proposed community members, representing their SOs and ACs, to be balanced, inclusive and trustworthy in protecting the interests of the overall community -- in their role as the aforementioned check on the powers of the Board. Not as a replacement.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Would you trust a future Board of sixteen unknown individuals more than you trust the multi-stakeholder, bottom-up, consensus-based community and process? It appears so.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I stand by and reaffirm my previous email. I hope my clarification helps.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Sincerely,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Keith</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><b class=""><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">Steve Crocker [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">mailto:steve@shinkuro.com</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:27 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek, Keith<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen D. Crocker; Chris Disspain; Accountability Cross Community;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">mshears@cdt.org</span></a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">egmorris1@toast.net</span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">On May 20, 2015, at 7:44 AM, Drazek, Keith <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">kdrazek@verisign.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Hi Chris,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">I think there's a fundamental flaw in your assessment. You appear to be looking at this question through the lens of the past and present, where NTIA holds the enforcement function ("enforceability") through its ability to rebid and transfer the IANA functions contract if the ICANN Board and management acts inappropriately. That is the existing and necessary check on the Board's decision-making power. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Without NTIA in its current role, the community MUST have the ability to check the Board's power, and the only way to secure that check is to create legal enforceability. Otherwise, the Board has ultimate authority, even if its decisions are inconsistent with the interests and desires of the community ICANN is supposed to serve.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">You are proposing a transfer of power from NTIA to the ICANN Board, which has a fiduciary obligation to first serve the interests of the corporation. Alternatively, proponents of legal enforceability are in favor of transferring final authority to ICANN's multi-stakeholder community.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Keith, Edward and Edward,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">We have covered the point above several times and it’s long past time to stop throwing this half-trust around. Yes, ICANN is legally a corporation, and, yes, directors of a corporation have a duty to protect the corporation. But that generality has a <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>far different meaning in a for profit corporation like Verisign than it does in a not-for-profit public benefit corporation like ICANN. The directors are obliged to pursue the purpose and mission stated in the incorporation papers and the bylaws. The directors serve the community, and we do so by exercising oversight over the corporation toward that end.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">There will always be differences of opinion about the particular details, but those sorts of differences of opinion will arise in *any* governance model. The prevailing assumption in much of the correspondence on this list is that the proposed members will somehow be more balanced, more inclusive and more trustworthy in protecting the interests of the overall community than the ICANN Board is. That’s simply false. And I think you know that it is.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Please correct yourself and apologize.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Steve<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">We should all be looking at this through the lens of the future, when NTIA no longer holds the tether and is only participating through the GAC. How do we, the multi-stakeholder community, ensure that ICANN and its future Boards and management are truly accountable once the NTIA back-stop is gone? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">The answer is to ensure the Board's decisions, in very limited areas, can be challenged and overturned by a significant majority<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the community. We need to protect against the "catastrophic" scenario you referenced. According to our independent legal advisors, the best (and perhaps only) way to guarantee this is through legal enforceability. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">You asked, <i class="">"Is addressing this most unlikely scenario worth the significant structural changes a membership model would require?"<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>I believe the answer is yes. Not only worth it, but necessary.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Keith<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br class="">On May 20, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Chris Disspain <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">For clarity, the last sentence of paragraph 8 below should read:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">"However, I cannot think of a single example of a failure throughout the history of ICANN that did result or would have resulted in the community acting as one against an action or decision of the ICANN Board."</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="p1" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="p1" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class="" style="margin: 0px 0in; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Cheers,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px 0in; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); min-height: 16px;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px 0in; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Chris</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">On 20 May 2015, at 16:13 , Chris Disspain <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Jordan, All,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Thank you Jordan, for attempting to bring some focus to the current discussion about the UA model, membership structures and all of the related issues.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">First of all, I want to acknowledge that I concur with you on a number points.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">I agree that we need to develop a model that disrupts ICANN’s operation as little as possible. We can argue about how much disruption is either possible or preferable, but the principle is agreed. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">I also agree that levels of accountability are not “up to scratch” and, irrespective of the model we arrive at post-transition, these need to be improved. Many of the improvements proposed by the CCWG: to the IRP, reconsideration mechanisms and the role of the ombudsman, the introduction of fundamental bylaws and binding arbitration, and the empowerment of the community to spill the ICANN Board, are also supported. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">However, where I disagree with you is in respect to the absolute need for an <i class="">additional</i> mechanism, to supersede the current IANA functions contract, in order to ensure that the community can ‘control’ the Board because it has the right to bring a legal action in a US court. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">I disagree with the characterisation that the purpose of the CCWG’s work is to wrest “control” from the ICANN Board and deliver it to the community. From your email, I gather that you are fundamentally tying the concept of control to “enforceability”, neither of which are goals for the current process. Rather, I believe we are aiming to deliver a structure where ICANN and its Board are held accountable to the community, via the number of improvements I mentioned above.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">The need to assert absolute “control” or enforceability could only arise in the most catastrophic of circumstances. If we assume a situation where proposed mechanisms for escalation, independent review, <i class="">binding </i>arbitration and direct instruction by the SOs and ACs are not acknowledged by ICANN, wouldn’t the entire multi-stakeholder model be irreparably broken? Is addressing this most unlikely scenario worth the significant structural changes a membership model would require? </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">Further, you refer to a “long list” of community concerns about ICANN’s current operations. I wonder whether these concerns are actually held by individuals (or individual constituencies) on particular issues and have been aggregated in to a larger picture of overall community dissatisfaction? Concerns by distinct groups on particular topics can certainly be dealt with by the increased robustness proposed to ICANN’s bylaws and operations.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>However, I cannot think of a single example of a failure throughout the history of ICANN that did result or would have resulted in the community as one against an action or decision of the ICANN Board. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">To be clear – I am 100% supportive of improvements to accountability. I believe that the CCWG has initiated extremely useful work in identifying these mechanisms.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);">I remain unconvinced regarding the argument that accountability=control=enforceability, and the subsequent recommendations of the CCWG that arise from this assumption.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">Cheers,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(148, 67, 251);">Chris</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">On 20 May 2015, at 15:33 , Jordan Carter <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">We need legal persons to be members of ICANN.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">They can be individual humans or they can be organisations.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">UAs are the lightest touch, most easily controlled, non-human form of person that can fit this mould.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">I do not understand the propensity of parts of our community to over-complicate things that look reasonably straight<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>forward from other points of view. Has ICANN always been like this? (Answers own question - it can't have been, otherwise it would never be organised the way it is today....)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">cheers</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Jordan</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">On 20 May 2015 at 17:21, Alan Greenberg<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Avri, I think that you are generally correct. We are putting this entire infrastructure in place because we want to be able to take ICANN or the Board to court if they do not follow the rules. I tend to agree with the auDA comment that if it ever gets to that stage, we are REALLY in trouble, and a simple court decision is not likelt to fix it.<br class=""><br class="">But that nothwithstanding, we supposedly ned that UA because they can take legal action. But if the UA representatives<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>do not listen to the SO/AC. the SO/AC cannot take that rep to court, because the SO/AC has no legal persona. So we are again left with a discontinuity where something is largely unenforceable and we have to take it on faith that they will do the right thing.<br class=""><br class="">Of course, the UA reps and the Board members we select are basically drawn from the same pool, perhaps separated by a few years.<br class=""><br class="">The difference between a Board member and a UA rep is the Board member has a duty to the corporation, and the UA rep can, in theory, be required to take instruction from the SO/AC. But enforcing that theory may be the rub.</span><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br class=""><br class=""><span class="hoenzb">Alan</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><br class=""><br class="">At 20/05/2015 12:41 AM, Avri Doria wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">I think I understand the argument about members becoming that to which<br class="">ICANN, and its Board, are responsible and accountable. From that<br class="">perspective it sounds really good.<br class=""><br class="">What I have having trouble understanding is an accountability structure<br class="">were there is a discontinuity between the SOAC and the UA. If each of<br class="">the Board designating SOAC were the UA, it think I would understand.<br class="">But I just do not see how the UA are accountable to the people and<br class="">organizations that participate in each of the SOAC. Yes, the SOAC<br class="">designates it UA representative, but how is (s)electing one of these any<br class="">more accountable than (s)electing the Board as we do now. Don't we just<br class="">move the perceived/possible unaccountability down a layer in the hierarchy?<br class=""><br class="">I think I am as comfortable with complexity as the next person. And I<br class="">understand how in computer science any problem can solved by adding<br class="">another layer of indirection, but in this case the extra layer we are<br class="">creating does not seem to really be accountable to anyone but itself,<br class="">except by (s)election procedures.<br class=""><br class="">I am sure I am missing some critical bit of understanding and hope<br class="">someone can explain the chain of accountability in the membership<br class="">model. I feel that we are still hand-waving a bit in the explanations.<br class="">In a sense it seems as if we are creating a 'council' that is omnipotent<br class="">in the powers it is given, except that they can somehow be replaced.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks and apologies for my persistent confusion.<br class=""><br class="">avri<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 20-May-15 01:14, Jordan Carter wrote:<br class="">> Hi all<br class="">><br class="">> This thread is useful to tease out some of the questions and concerns<br class="">> and confusions with the UA model, and as rapporteur for the WP<br class="">> responsible for refining this part of the proposal I am reading it avidly.<br class="">><br class="">> I just want to take the opportunity to remind us all why membership<br class="">> (or something analogous) is an important aspect of the reforms we are<br class="">> proposing - no matter the precise details.<br class="">><br class="">> At the moment without members, ICANN is fundamentally controlled by<br class="">> the Board. The only external constraint is the IANA functions contract<br class="">> with NTIA. The long list of community concerns and examples detailed<br class="">> by our earlier work in this CCWG shows that even with that constraint,<br class="">> accountability isn't up to scratch.<br class="">><br class="">> We are working on a settlement without that NTIA contract.<br class="">> Accountability has to get better even *with* the contract.<br class="">> Fundamentally better, without it.<br class="">><br class="">> Either we have a membership structure or some other durable approach<br class="">> that firmly embeds the stewardship of ICANN and the DNS in the ICANN<br class="">> community, or... we remain with Board control.<br class="">><br class="">> Given ICANN's history, anyone who is advocating a continuation of<br class="">> Board control is arguing for a model that can't be suitably<br class="">> accountable, and that seems highly likely to fail over time, with real<br class="">> risks to the security and stability of the DNS.<br class="">><br class="">> A real, fundamental source of power over the company absent the<br class="">> contract *has* to be established. The membership model is the most<br class="">> suitable one to achieve that that we have considered so far.<br class="">><br class="">> So: we need to be creative and thoughtful in how we make that model<br class="">> work in a fashion that disrupts ICANN's general operation as little as<br class="">> possible. But the key there is "as possible." Real change is needed<br class="">> and much refinement and comment is needed.<br class="">><br class="">> If there are proposals to achieve the same shift in control from ICANN<br class="">> the corporation to ICANN the community, I hope they come through in<br class="">> the comment period. So far, none have - but there are still two weeks<br class="">> of comments to go.<br class="">><br class="">> cheers<br class="">> Jordan<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> On 20 May 2015 at 10:45, Malcolm Hutty <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">malcolm@linx.net</span></a><br class="">> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">malcolm@linx.net</span></a>>> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> This whole thread seems to have massively overcomplicated the<br class="">> question.<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> Unless I have missed something, the only reason we need "members"<br class="">> is to<br class="">> stand as plaintiff-of-record in a lawsuit against the ICANN Board<br class="">> complaining that the Board has failed to adhere to the corporations<br class="">> bylaws. Such a lawsuit would in reality be conducted by an SO or<br class="">> AC, but<br class="">> a person with legal personality needs to act as plaintiff-of-record.<br class="">><br class="">> Why not simply proceed, as Samantha suggested, with the SOACs'<br class="">> Chairs as<br class="">> the members of the corporation? Could the Articles (or Bylaws, as<br class="">> appropriate) not simply identify the SOACs' Chairs as the members, ex<br class="">> officio and pro tempore?<br class="">><br class="">> An SOAC Chair that refused to act as plaintiff-of-record when required<br class="">> to do so by his SOAC could simply be replaced. Likewise a Chair that<br class="">> went rogue and initiated a lawsuit without their consent.<br class="">><br class="">> You can't make the SOAC a member without turning them into UAs,<br class="">> with all<br class="">> the attendent complexity. But I don't see that there should be any<br class="">> such<br class="">> problem with designating the chair of a SOAC, who will be a natural<br class="">> person, as a member of the corporation; the fact that the SOAC is<br class="">> not a<br class="">> UA is then irrelevant.<br class="">><br class="">> In the event that there were any dispute as to whether a particular<br class="">> person is in truth an SOAC Chair, this would surely be a simple<br class="">> preliminary matter of fact for the court. It is surely beyond dispute<br class="">> that if the Articles designated "Alan Greenberg" as the member, it<br class="">> would<br class="">> be a matter of fact as to whether or not the person before the<br class="">> court was<br class="">> indeed Alan Greenberg; surely it is the same as to whether the person<br class="">> before the court is "the current Chair of ALAC", if that should be<br class="">> what<br class="">> is specified in the Articles?<br class="">><br class="">> Malcolm.<br class="">><br class="">> --<br class="">> Malcolm Hutty | tel:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B44%2020%207645%203523" target="_blank" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">+44 20 7645 3523</span></a><br class="">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B44%2020%207645%203523" class="" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span class="" style="color: purple;">tel:%2B44%2020%207645%203523</span></a>><br class="">> Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog<br class="">> London Internet Exchange |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__publicaffairs.linx.net_&d=AwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=N94BFwt7XlN1luKY2YsAlg92HkXfJ8UfYuQCH-3B3bY&s=PujqDBGqGixKBOrunqLkoUHDthIag7v0xY8FdvW-Sx0&e=" target="_blank" class="" style="color: purple; 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Mathieu WEILL
AFNIC - directeur général
Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>
Twitter : @mathieuweill
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