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Chris, <br>
<br>
Thank you so much because I think this is a very useful discussion.
I would try and reformulate to check if we are communicating before
turning to lawyers or any further work : <br>
<br>
1) The scenario to assess is the case where the community rejects a
budget because the community would like Icann to expand its actions
into something that the Community feels is within the Mission while
the Board feels it is outside of Icann's Mission, as described in
the Bylaws. The Board would then be "stuck" between the community
and its perceived obligation to not mission creep. <br>
<br>
Basically, our discussion is starting to look like a stress test of
this particular scenario: what would the current accountability
mechanism enable ? what enhancements or changes would be brought by
the proposed accountability framework ? <br>
<br>
2) It is clear to me that our initial report does NOT say that legal
action could only be undertaken if all other remedies have been
exhausted (I don't even think it would be legally feasible). <br>
<br>
3) You are asking clarification of several questions : <br>
* what the limited grounds are for a California Court to
overturn an arbitration (IRP) decision ? (my own recollection of the
IRP memos we received from counsel was : arbitration scope or
procedure)<br>
* whether the proposed membership model would enable each UA
to initiate legal action against Icann irrespective of what other
parts of the community think ? (my understanding is : yes. But I
guess that today if NARALO felt a decision was causing them
prejudice they could sue Icann as well, so maybe we should reframe
the question into : would there be a significant increase of the
risk for Icann to be sued ?)<br>
<br>
Can you please confirm that we are on the same page here ? <br>
<br>
best<br>
Mathieu<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 22/05/2015 08:47, Chris Disspain a
écrit :<br>
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style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Mathieu, </span></font></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
color="#444444"><font class="" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size: 15px;" class="">You've</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> asked a series of
questions which </span></font></font><font class=""
color="#444444" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size: 15px;" class="">I have thought about
very carefully. I acknowledge that the scenario I suggest
is unlikely but your questions have led me to a further
question which I pose below my responses to yours.</span></font></div>
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</span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><i class=""><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" class="">- In your scenario
the community would "mission creep". I am not clear how in
our report the community would direct the Board to do X.
Community powers as we have defined them are restricted to
reject / review on budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify
this part of the scenario ?</span><span style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
font-size: 15px;" class=""> </span></i></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri,
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</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" class="">I do believe that it
is feasible that the Board could refuse the follow
a community veto on a budget item because the board believes
to do so would be a breach of the Board’s fiduciary duties
to act in the interests of ICANN in accordance with ICANN’s
mission. </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;
color: rgb(68, 68, 68);" class=""><br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class=""><span
style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);" class="">- If the Board
refuses to act on the arbitrator findings, why would the
community turn to California Court instead of </span>recall
the Board ? </i><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">They may well turn
to the recall mechanism but would they HAVE TO. Is it
anticipated that the resort to legal action would only be
possible once ALL OTHER REMEDIES have been exhausted? In other
words, in effect the only thing a court would ever be asked to
do is to enforce the communities spill of the Board? Or is it
perhaps anticipated that the community to resort to the court
at any stage along the escalation process?</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Given that there was a a
binding arbitration decision directing Icann to do X, my
understanding was that the court of California would have
very limited grounds to turn the decision around. Is that
not already addressing the concern of allowing a court of
california to decide on what is or is not within Icann's
mission ?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></i></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> The key point is
that irrespective of whether there are “limited grounds” for
the court to reverse a decision or take a decision contrary to
the views of the community,it could happen. The ultimate
authority becomes the Californian legal system. <br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"
class=""><i class="">And finally, is it not the case today
that a Court of California could make such a binding
decision ? </i></span></font><br class="">
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</span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;"
class="">I don’t believe so but stand to be corrected.</span></font></div>
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</span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;"
class="">My question is an extension of the point I’ve
made above about when the community can go to court. </span></font></div>
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</span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font class=""
face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;"
class="">Am I correct in m</span></font><span
style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">y understanding that once we become a member based
organisation, it would be open to any of the member UAs to
use the court system to bring an action against ICANN. In
other words if the ALAC UA (and I’m just using ALAC as an
example) was concerned about ICANN’s interpretation of one
of its non-fundamental by-laws then ALAC UA would have legal
standing to bring an action in California irrespective of
what other members think? </span></div>
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</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">May </span><font class="" face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;" class="">I ask
that we get legal clarification on this point please?</span></font></div>
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<div class="">On 21 May 2015, at 17:14 , Mathieu Weill <<a
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size:
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<span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px;
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display: inline !important;" class="">Many thanks for
explaining the concern through this step by step
scenario. This is taking us closer to a stress test
approach, which is not only valuable but also mandatory
for our group, as per our Charter. I understand your
concern is (quoting your email) "handing ultimate
authority to a state based American court and allowing
it to make binding and precedent setting decisions about
the interpretation of ICANN’s mission."<span
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something I do not understand in your "steps":<span
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rgb(255, 255, 255);">Le 21/05/2015 03:45, Chris Disspain
a écrit :<br class="">
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color="#444444">Second, I would like to use a
step-by-step scenario to explain where my concerns
lie. Under the CCWG’s currently proposed mechanisms:</font><span
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<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">1. The
community, pursuant to powers defined in a
“fundamental bylaw”, and through a vote of that
meeting the required threshold for<span
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class="" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68);
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to do X</span></div>
<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">2. The
Board refuses to do X because it maintains that
X is outside of the mission of ICANN</span></div>
<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">3. The
community triggers escalation mechanisms</span></div>
<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">4.
Escalation proceeds to binding arbitration (as
defined by another fundamental bylaw)</span></div>
<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">5. The
arbitrator finds in favour of the community and
directs ICANN to do X</span></div>
<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">6. The
Board refuses to act, citing, again, that it
believes the action is outside of ICANN’s
mission</span></div>
<div class="" style="text-indent: 0px; margin: 0cm
0cm 0.0001pt;"><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68); text-indent: -18pt;">7. After
the necessary community votes etc., the
community now heads to court. In the State of
California.</span></div>
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I have four questions :<span
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- In your scenario the community would "mission creep".
I am not clear how in our report the community would
direct the Board to do X. Community powers as we have
defined them are restricted to reject / review on
budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify this part of the
scenario ?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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- If the Board refuses to act on the arbitrator
findings, why would the community turn to California
Court instead of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><span
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<span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px;
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was a a binding arbitration decision directing Icann to
do X, my understanding was that the court of California
would have very limited grounds to turn the decision
around. Is that not already addressing the concern of
allowing a court of california to decide on what is or
is not within Icann's mission ?<span
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it not the case today that a Court of California could
make such a binding decision ?<span
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<blockquote
cite="mid:8B38ACA7-E10D-4E8B-8501-8DDB6DFBB448@auda.org.au"
type="cite" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size:
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class="">
<div class="">
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;
text-indent: -18pt;"><font class=""
color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444">As I understand it, the
role of the court in this scenario would be to
determine whether the Board is acting in a way
that is serving the public interest
within ICANN’s mission. It would not be to
decide whether, on balance, the community
was ‘more right’ than the Board. </font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444">Right now as a global
multi-stakeholder body we decide the nuances of
the meaning of ICANN’s mission and the way ICANN
acts under that mission by using the
multi-stakeholder process and by compromise
and nuanced decision making.</font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444">If we agree to the CCWG
recommendations we will not be handing ultimate
authority to the members but rather we will be
handing ultimate authority to a state based
American court and allowing it to make binding
and precedent setting decisions about the
interpretation of ICANN’s mission. </font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444"><br class="">
</font></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><font
class="" color="#444444">Does the ICANN
community</font><span class="" style="color:
rgb(68, 68, 68);"> really want the specific
nuances of ICANN’s mission to be held up to
scrutiny and have decisions made, at the highest
level, through such a mechanism? Whilst that may
give comfort to, for example, US members of the
intellectual property community or US listed
registries, it gives me no comfort whatsoever.</span></div>
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<div class="">On 21 May 2015, at 07:51 , Burr,
Becky <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" class="">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><font
class="">The “enforceability" issue
is not about litigation at all, and
it isn</font>’<font class="">t
really about </font>whether the
Board or some newly invented group is
more likely to get it right<font
class="">. Rather, it</font>’s
about checks and balances. <font
class="">Without the membership
structure, the revised bylaws that
empower the community to block
certain actions, for example, are by
definition advisory – they impose no<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class=""><b class="">legal</b></i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>obligation
whatsoever on the Board and staff.
</font>I don’t dispute that the
Board would have a compelling interest
in respecting community input, but as
a legal matter without the membership
structure,<font class=""> the Board
would be </font><b class="">required</b><font
class=""> to treat any community
vote to block, for example, as
merely advisory and would have an
affirmative obligation to do what it
concludes is consistent with its
fiduciary duty. The membership
model affirmatively shifts some of
that fiduciary responsibility to the
community. It’s not a statement of
who is right or wrong, but who has
authority. </font></font><font
class="" style="font-family: Arial;">Steve
raises a reasonable question about how
the members/unincorporated
associations are accountable to their
respective communities. But IMHO, the
legitimate questions and concerns in
this debate are getting obscured by </font><font
class="" style="font-family: Arial;">polarizing
language and assertions that it’s
inappropriate to express a particular
point of view.</font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"><br
class="">
</font></div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><font class=""
face="Arial"><font class="">The
argument that there are no
examples of situations </font>that
did result or would have resulted in
the community acting as one against
an action or decision of the ICANN
Board.<font class="">” </font><font
class="">The community has never
had any authority or tool to do
so, so the fact that it never has
is irrelevant and the assertion
that it would not have is
speculation. I certainly would
have tried to get the community to
overturn the Board’s decision to
abandon the substantive standard
for IRPs in favor of the “good
faith” test. As it happens, none
of the existing review and redress
mechanisms would have worked in
that case, and they probably </font><font
class="">wouldn’t work in the
future either.</font></font></div>
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0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196,
223);"><span class="" style="font-weight:
bold;">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Steve
DelBianco <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org"
class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>><br
class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Wednesday,
May 20, 2015 at 12:37 PM<br class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"Chartier,
Mike S" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com"
class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>,
Steve Crocker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" class=""
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>,
Keith Drazek <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com"
class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br
class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Accountability
Community <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br
class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br
class="">
</div>
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</div>
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sans-serif;">
<div class="">
<div class="">I don’t think there’s any
question that the Board’s primary duty
(not their only duty) is to ICANN the
Corporation. In addition to Mike’s
citation of ICANN bylaws Section 7
(below), see ICANN’s Management
Operating Principles (2008): </div>
<div class="">
<blockquote class="" type="cite"
style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px;
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<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">"The third and perhaps
most critical point of tension is
between the accountability to the
participating community to perform
functions in keeping with the
expectations of the community and
the corporate and legal
responsibilities of the Board to
meet its fiduciary obligations.”</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
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style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px;
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<div class="">Source: <span class=""
style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Arial;"> ICANN
Accountability & Transparency
Frameworks and Principles,
Jan-2008, p.5, at<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="" style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_acct-2Dtrans-2Dframeworks-2Dprinciples-2D10jan08-2Den.pdf&d=AwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=N94BFwt7XlN1luKY2YsAlg92HkXfJ8UfYuQCH-3B3bY&s=-nHIJ38MbHZo2QiXUiLPqBi6YeaesFEbRqTO3RL3Jew&e="
class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"><span
class="" style="font-size:
9pt;">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08-en.pdf</span></a></span><span
class="" style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Arial; color: blue;"> </span></div>
</blockquote>
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border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);"><span
class="" style="font-weight: bold;">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"Chartier,
Mike S"<br class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight:
bold;">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Wednesday,
May 20, 2015 at 9:56 AM<br class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight:
bold;">To:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Steve
Crocker, Keith Drazek<br class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight:
bold;">Cc:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Accountability
Cross Community<br class="">
<span class="" style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br
class="">
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style="page: WordSection1;">
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span
class="" style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">No comment on actual
practice, but from a textual
basis (which is what matters
now since we are debating new
text), I can’t see any
inconsistency between the
following statements:<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;"><span class=""
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">“</span><span
class="" style="font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif;
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"
lang="EN">Directors shall
serve as individuals who
have the duty to act in what
they reasonably believe are
the best interests of ICANN
and not as representatives
of the entity that selected
them, their employers, or
any other organizations or
constituencies.</span><span
class="" style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;"><span class=""
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">“</span>the ICANN
Board, which has a fiduciary
obligation to first serve the
interests of the corporation,<span
class="" style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">”</span><span
class="" style="font-family:
Helvetica, sans-serif;
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"
lang="EN"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;"><span class=""
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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12pt;"><b class=""><span
class=""
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
class="" style="font-size:
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Calibri, sans-serif;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
class="" style="color:
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steve
Crocker<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:47 AM<br
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<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek,
Keith<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accountability
Cross Community<br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding
UAs<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">I
didn’t take it personally. I
took it as a factually
inaccurate statement that
creates misunderstanding.
Future boards are bound by the
same rules as the past and
current boards. The language
you used is taken by many as a
basis for believing there is a
significant difference in
alignment toward public
responsibility between the ICANN
Board and some newly invented
grouping of community members.
It ain’t so and it’s
inappropriate to suggest so.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;">Steve<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="" style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="" style="margin:
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;">On May 20, 2015,
at 9:39 AM, Drazek,
Keith <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote class=""
type="cite" style="margin:
0px 0px 0px 40px; border:
none; padding: 0px;">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><br class="">
<span class=""
style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
font-size: 11pt;">Steve,</span></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote class=""
type="cite"
style="margin-top: 5pt;
margin-bottom: 5pt;">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">With all due
respect, I think
you’re taking this
too personally
and/or making it too
personal. This is
not about the
current ICANN Board.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">None of us
know what future
ICANN Boards will
do, or what future
ICANN Boards will
permit ICANN’s
management to do.
Will future Boards
always exercise
appropriate
oversight over
management? Could
there be instances
where ICANN’s legal
counsel advises a
future Board to make
a decision that is
counter to the
interests of the
community to protect
the financial
interests of the
corporation?</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">I see the
proposed community
membership structure
simply as a check on
the power of the
Board, nothing more.
It’s not about
“controlling” or
replacing the Board.
The Board has its
legitimate function,
but its decisions
cannot be
unchallengeable. The
community must have
the ability to tell
the Board it got a
decision wrong and
to enforce the will
of the
multi-stakeholder
community in
rare/limited
instances and based
on a very high
threshold of
community
agreement/consensus.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">I would
certainly trust the
proposed community
members,
representing their
SOs and ACs, to be
balanced, inclusive
and trustworthy in
protecting the
interests of the
overall community --
in their role as the
aforementioned check
on the powers of the
Board. Not as a
replacement.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Would you
trust a future Board
of sixteen unknown
individuals more
than you trust the
multi-stakeholder,
bottom-up,
consensus-based
community and
process? It appears
so.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">I stand by
and reaffirm my
previous email. I
hope my
clarification helps.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
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color: rgb(31, 73,
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Sincerely,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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color: rgb(31, 73,
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style="margin: 0in 0in
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12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"><span class=""
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
style="font-size:
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font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif;"> </span></span><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif;">Steve
Crocker [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">mailto:steve@shinkuro.com</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:27 AM<br
class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek, Keith<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen D. Crocker; Chris
Disspain;
Accountability
Cross Community;<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"
class=""
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">mshears@cdt.org</span></a>;<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net"
class=""
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">egmorris1@toast.net</span></a><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding
UAs</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',
serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in 0in
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'Times New Roman',
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;">On
May 20, 2015, at
7:44 AM, Drazek,
Keith <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">kdrazek@verisign.com</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
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font-size: 12pt;"><br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;">Hi Chris,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;">I think
there's a
fundamental flaw
in your
assessment. You
appear to be
looking at this
question through
the lens of the
past and
present, where
NTIA holds the
enforcement
function
("enforceability")
through its
ability to rebid
and transfer the
IANA functions
contract if the
ICANN Board and
management acts
inappropriately.
That is the
existing and
necessary check
on the Board's
decision-making
power. <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;">Without
NTIA in its
current role,
the community
MUST have the
ability to check
the Board's
power, and the
only way to
secure that
check is to
create legal
enforceability.
Otherwise, the
Board has
ultimate
authority, even
if its decisions
are inconsistent
with the
interests and
desires of the
community ICANN
is supposed to
serve.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;">You are
proposing a
transfer of
power from NTIA
to the ICANN
Board, which has
a fiduciary
obligation to
first serve the
interests of the
corporation.
Alternatively,
proponents of
legal
enforceability
are in favor of
transferring
final authority
to ICANN's
multi-stakeholder
community.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
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</div>
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<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
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Edward and Edward,<o:p
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</div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div class=""
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;">We
have covered the
point above
several times and
it’s long past
time to stop
throwing this
half-trust around.
Yes, ICANN is
legally a
corporation, and,
yes, directors of
a corporation have
a duty to protect
the corporation.
But that
generality has a
far different
meaning in a for
profit corporation
like Verisign than
it does in a
not-for-profit
public benefit
corporation like
ICANN. The
directors are
obliged to pursue
the purpose and
mission stated in
the incorporation
papers and the
bylaws. The
directors serve
the community, and
we do so by
exercising
oversight over the
corporation toward
that end.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;">There
will always be
differences of
opinion about the
particular
details, but those
sorts of
differences of
opinion will arise
in *any*
governance model.
The prevailing
assumption in much
of the
correspondence on
this list is that
the proposed
members will
somehow be more
balanced, more
inclusive and more
trustworthy in
protecting the
interests of the
overall community
than the ICANN
Board is. That’s
simply false. And
I think you know
that it is.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;">Please
correct yourself
and apologize.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;">Thanks,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
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</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;">Steve<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin: 0in
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font-size: 12pt;"><br
class="">
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<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"> <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;">We should
all be looking
at this through
the lens of the
future, when
NTIA no longer
holds the tether
and is only
participating
through the GAC.
How do we, the
multi-stakeholder
community,
ensure that
ICANN and its
future Boards
and management
are truly
accountable once
the NTIA
back-stop is
gone? <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
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0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;">The
answer is to
ensure the
Board's
decisions, in
very limited
areas, can be
challenged and
overturned by a
significant
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
the community.
We need to
protect against
the
"catastrophic"
scenario you
referenced.
According to our
independent
legal advisors,
the best (and
perhaps only)
way to guarantee
this is through
legal
enforceability. <o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class=""
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font-size:
12pt;">You
asked, <i
class="">"Is
addressing
this most
unlikely
scenario worth
the
significant
structural
changes a
membership
model would
require?"<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>I believe the answer is yes.
Not only worth
it, but
necessary.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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On May 20, 2015,
at 2:40 AM, Chris
Disspain <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" class="" style="color: purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote class=""
type="cite"
style="margin-top:
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<div class="">
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style="margin:
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12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">For
clarity, the
last sentence
of paragraph 8
below should
read:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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<div class=""
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class=""
style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class="">
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<div class=""
style="margin:
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'Times New
Roman',
serif;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">"However, I
cannot think
of a
single example
of a failure
throughout the
history of
ICANN that did
result or
would have
resulted in
the community
acting as one
against an
action or
decision of
the ICANN
Board."</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
class=""
style="font-size:
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class=""><span
class=""
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class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
class=""
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
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12pt;
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Roman',
serif;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="">
<blockquote
class=""
type="cite"
style="margin-top:
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5pt;">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
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12pt;
font-family:
'Times New
Roman',
serif;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">On 20
May 2015, at
16:13 , Chris
Disspain <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" class=""
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">ceo@auda.org.au</span></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">Jordan,
All,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
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12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">Thank
you Jordan,
for attempting
to bring some
focus to the
current
discussion
about the UA
model,
membership
structures and
all of the
related
issues.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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Verdana,
sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">First
of all, I want
to acknowledge
that I concur
with you on a
number points.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">I
agree that we
need to
develop a
model that
disrupts
ICANN’s
operation as
little as
possible. We
can argue
about how much
disruption is
either
possible or
preferable,
but the
principle is
agreed. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">I
also agree
that levels of
accountability
are not “up to
scratch” and,
irrespective
of the model
we arrive at
post-transition,
these need to
be
improved. Many
of the
improvements
proposed by
the CCWG: to
the IRP,
reconsideration
mechanisms and
the role of
the ombudsman,
the
introduction
of fundamental
bylaws and
binding
arbitration,
and the
empowerment of
the community
to spill the
ICANN Board,
are also
supported. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">However,
where I
disagree with
you is in
respect to the
absolute need
for an <i
class="">additional</i> mechanism,
to supersede
the current
IANA functions
contract, in
order to
ensure that
the community
can ‘control’
the Board because
it has the
right to bring
a legal action
in a US
court. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">I
disagree with
the
characterisation
that the
purpose of the
CCWG’s work is
to wrest
“control” from
the ICANN
Board and
deliver it to
the
community. From
your email, I
gather that
you are
fundamentally
tying the
concept of
control to
“enforceability”,
neither of
which are
goals for the
current
process. Rather,
I believe we
are aiming to
deliver a
structure
where ICANN
and
its Board are
held
accountable to
the community,
via the number
of
improvements I
mentioned
above.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">The
need to assert
absolute
“control” or
enforceability
could only
arise in the
most
catastrophic
of
circumstances. If
we assume a
situation
where proposed
mechanisms for
escalation,
independent
review, <i
class="">binding </i>arbitration
and direct
instruction by
the SOs and
ACs are not
acknowledged
by ICANN,
wouldn’t the
entire
multi-stakeholder
model be
irreparably
broken? Is
addressing
this most
unlikely
scenario worth
the
significant
structural
changes a
membership
model would
require? </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">Further,
you refer to a
“long list” of
community
concerns about
ICANN’s
current
operations. I
wonder whether
these concerns
are actually
held by
individuals
(or individual
constituencies)
on particular
issues and
have been
aggregated in
to a larger
picture of
overall
community
dissatisfaction? Concerns
by distinct
groups on
particular
topics can
certainly be
dealt with by
the increased
robustness
proposed to
ICANN’s bylaws
and
operations.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>However, I cannot think of a
single example
of a failure
throughout the
history of
ICANN that did
result or
would have
resulted in
the community
as one against
an action or
decision of
the ICANN
Board. </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">To
be clear – I
am 100%
supportive of
improvements
to
accountability. I
believe that
the CCWG has
initiated extremely
useful work in
identifying
these
mechanisms.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color: rgb(68,
68, 68);">I
remain
unconvinced
regarding the
argument that
accountability=control=enforceability,
and the
subsequent
recommendations
of the CCWG
that arise
from this
assumption.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
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class=""
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12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(148, 67,
251);">Cheers,</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""
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class=""></o:p></div>
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style="margin:
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12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div class=""
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'Times New
Roman',
serif;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
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<div class="">
<blockquote
class=""
type="cite"
style="margin-top:
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<div class="">
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<div class=""
style="margin:
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">On 20
May 2015, at
15:33 , Jordan
Carter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class=""
style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"><span
class=""
style="color:
purple;">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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style="margin:
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font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""
style="margin:
0in 0in
0.0001pt;
font-size:
12pt;"><span
class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
font-family:
Verdana,
sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">We need
legal persons
to be members
of ICANN.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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can be
individual
humans or they
can be
organisations.</span><o:p
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
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the lightest
touch, most
easily
controlled,
non-human form
of person that
can fit this
mould.</span><o:p
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class=""
style="font-size:
10pt;
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">I do
not understand
the propensity
of parts of
our community
to
over-complicate
things that
look
reasonably
straight
forward from
other points
of view. Has
ICANN always
been like
this? (Answers
own question -
it can't have
been,
otherwise it
would never be
organised the
way it is
today....)</span><o:p
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class=""
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;
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May 2015 at
17:21, Alan
Greenberg<span
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style="margin:
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class=""
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">Avri, I
think that you
are generally
correct. We
are putting
this entire
infrastructure
in place
because we
want to be
able to take
ICANN or the
Board to court
if they do not
follow the
rules. I tend
to agree with
the auDA
comment that
if it ever
gets to that
stage, we are
REALLY in
trouble, and a
simple court
decision is
not likelt to
fix it.<br
class="">
<br class="">
But that
nothwithstanding,
we supposedly
ned that UA
because they
can take legal
action. But if
the UA
representatives<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>do
not listen to
the SO/AC. the
SO/AC cannot
take that rep
to court,
because the
SO/AC has no
legal persona.
So we are
again left
with a
discontinuity
where
something is
largely
unenforceable
and we have to
take it on
faith that
they will do
the right
thing.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Of course, the
UA reps and
the Board
members we
select are
basically
drawn from the
same pool,
perhaps
separated by a
few years.<br
class="">
<br class="">
The difference
between a
Board member
and a UA rep
is the Board
member has a
duty to the
corporation,
and the UA rep
can, in
theory, be
required to
take
instruction
from the
SO/AC. But
enforcing that
theory may be
the rub.</span><span
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At 20/05/2015
12:41 AM, Avri
Doria wrote:</span><o:p
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style="margin:
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class=""
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;
color:
rgb(102, 102,
102);">Hi,<br
class="">
<br class="">
I think I
understand the
argument about
members
becoming that
to which<br
class="">
ICANN, and its
Board, are
responsible
and
accountable.
From that<br
class="">
perspective it
sounds really
good.<br
class="">
<br class="">
What I have
having trouble
understanding
is an
accountability
structure<br
class="">
were there is
a
discontinuity
between the
SOAC and the
UA. If each
of<br class="">
the Board
designating
SOAC were the
UA, it think I
would
understand.<br
class="">
But I just do
not see how
the UA are
accountable to
the people and<br
class="">
organizations
that
participate in
each of the
SOAC. Yes, the
SOAC<br
class="">
designates it
UA
representative,
but how is
(s)electing
one of these
any<br
class="">
more
accountable
than
(s)electing
the Board as
we do now.
Don't we just<br
class="">
move the
perceived/possible
unaccountability
down a layer
in the
hierarchy?<br
class="">
<br class="">
I think I am
as comfortable
with
complexity as
the next
person. And I<br
class="">
understand how
in computer
science any
problem can
solved by
adding<br
class="">
another layer
of
indirection,
but in this
case the extra
layer we are<br
class="">
creating does
not seem to
really be
accountable to
anyone but
itself,<br
class="">
except by
(s)election
procedures.<br
class="">
<br class="">
I am sure I am
missing some
critical bit
of
understanding
and hope<br
class="">
someone can
explain the
chain of
accountability
in the
membership<br
class="">
model. I feel
that we are
still
hand-waving a
bit in the
explanations.<br
class="">
In a sense it
seems as if we
are creating a
'council' that
is omnipotent<br
class="">
in the powers
it is given,
except that
they can
somehow be
replaced.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Thanks and
apologies for
my persistent
confusion.<br
class="">
<br class="">
avri<br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
On 20-May-15
01:14, Jordan
Carter wrote:<br
class="">
> Hi all<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> This
thread is
useful to
tease out some
of the
questions and
concerns<br
class="">
> and
confusions
with the UA
model, and as
rapporteur for
the WP<br
class="">
>
responsible
for refining
this part of
the proposal I
am reading it
avidly.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> I just
want to take
the
opportunity to
remind us all
why membership<br
class="">
> (or
something
analogous) is
an important
aspect of the
reforms we are<br
class="">
> proposing
- no matter
the precise
details.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> At the
moment without
members, ICANN
is
fundamentally
controlled by<br
class="">
> the
Board. The
only external
constraint is
the IANA
functions
contract<br
class="">
> with
NTIA. The long
list of
community
concerns and
examples
detailed<br
class="">
> by our
earlier work
in this CCWG
shows that
even with that
constraint,<br
class="">
>
accountability
isn't up to
scratch.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> We are
working on a
settlement
without that
NTIA contract.<br
class="">
>
Accountability
has to get
better even
*with* the
contract.<br
class="">
>
Fundamentally
better,
without it.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> Either we
have a
membership
structure or
some other
durable
approach<br
class="">
> that
firmly embeds
the
stewardship of
ICANN and the
DNS in the
ICANN<br
class="">
>
community,
or... we
remain with
Board control.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> Given
ICANN's
history,
anyone who is
advocating a
continuation
of<br class="">
> Board
control is
arguing for a
model that
can't be
suitably<br
class="">
>
accountable,
and that seems
highly likely
to fail over
time, with
real<br
class="">
> risks to
the security
and stability
of the DNS.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> A real,
fundamental
source of
power over the
company absent
the<br
class="">
> contract
*has* to be
established.
The membership
model is the
most<br
class="">
> suitable
one to achieve
that that we
have
considered so
far.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> So: we
need to be
creative and
thoughtful in
how we make
that model<br
class="">
> work in a
fashion that
disrupts
ICANN's
general
operation as
little as<br
class="">
> possible.
But the key
there is "as
possible."
Real change is
needed<br
class="">
> and much
refinement and
comment is
needed.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> If there
are proposals
to achieve the
same shift in
control from
ICANN<br
class="">
> the
corporation to
ICANN the
community, I
hope they come
through in<br
class="">
> the
comment
period. So
far, none have
- but there
are still two
weeks<br
class="">
> of
comments to
go.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> cheers<br
class="">
> Jordan<br
class="">
><br
class="">
><br
class="">
> On 20 May
2015 at 10:45,
Malcolm Hutty
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wrote:<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> This
whole thread
seems to have
massively
overcomplicated
the<br
class="">
>
question.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
><br
class="">
>
Unless I have
missed
something, the
only reason we
need "members"<br
class="">
> is to<br
class="">
> stand
as
plaintiff-of-record
in a lawsuit
against the
ICANN Board<br
class="">
>
complaining
that the Board
has failed to
adhere to the
corporations<br
class="">
>
bylaws. Such
a lawsuit
would in
reality be
conducted by
an SO or<br
class="">
> AC,
but<br
class="">
> a
person with
legal
personality
needs to act
as
plaintiff-of-record.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> Why
not simply
proceed, as
Samantha
suggested,
with the
SOACs'<br
class="">
>
Chairs as<br
class="">
> the
members of the
corporation?
Could the
Articles (or
Bylaws, as<br
class="">
>
appropriate)
not simply
identify the
SOACs' Chairs
as the
members, ex<br
class="">
>
officio and
pro tempore?<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> An
SOAC Chair
that refused
to act as
plaintiff-of-record
when required<br
class="">
> to do
so by his SOAC
could simply
be replaced.
Likewise a
Chair that<br
class="">
> went
rogue and
initiated a
lawsuit
without their
consent.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> You
can't make the
SOAC a member
without
turning them
into UAs,<br
class="">
> with
all<br
class="">
> the
attendent
complexity.
But I don't
see that there
should be any<br
class="">
> such<br
class="">
>
problem with
designating
the chair of a
SOAC, who will
be a natural<br
class="">
>
person, as a
member of the
corporation;
the fact that
the SOAC is<br
class="">
> not a<br
class="">
> UA is
then
irrelevant.<br
class="">
><br
class="">
> In
the event that
there were any
dispute as to
whether a
particular<br
class="">
>
person is in
truth an SOAC
Chair, this
would surely
be a simple<br
class="">
>
preliminary
matter of fact
for the court.
It is surely
beyond dispute<br
class="">
> that
if the
Articles
designated
"Alan
Greenberg" as
the member, it<br
class="">
> would<br
class="">
> be a
matter of fact
as to whether
or not the
person before
the<br
class="">
> court
was<br
class="">
>
indeed Alan
Greenberg;
surely it is
the same as to
whether the
person<br
class="">
>
before the
court is "the
current Chair
of ALAC", if
that should be<br
class="">
> what<br
class="">
> is
specified in
the Articles?<br
class="">
><br
class="">
>
Malcolm.<br
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><br
class="">
> --<br
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