<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>This a tottaly confusing discussion .The wholée thing is based on worse case which may not have been ever occurred.</div><div>May we engage in some practical and not totally theoretical cases.</div><div>We are discussing lawsuit and lawsuit since we have been very skeptical and perhaps negative oriented manner.</div><div>ICANN is now about 17 years. Pls provide ststistics of cases that ICANN wilingly r efused to act inaccordance with Bylaws and/ or Articles .</div><div>Howmany cases 1, 2. or 5 or many ?<br>THERE IS A WORKING MECHANISM WE ARE PUSHED TO MAKE IT UNWORKABLE TOTALLY.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-22 19:05 GMT+02:00 Burr, Becky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:29 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>" <<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<br>
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<div><font color="#666666" style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">See below. And thanks!</font><br>
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<div>On 22 May 2015, at 20:16 , Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:</div>
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you so much because I think this is a very useful discussion. I would try and reformulate to check if we are communicating before turning to lawyers or any further work :<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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The scenario to assess is the case where the community rejects a budget because the community would like Icann to expand its actions into something that the Community feels is within the Mission while the Board feels it is outside of Icann's Mission, as described
in the Bylaws. The Board would then be "stuck" between the community and its perceived obligation to not mission creep.<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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our discussion is starting to look like a stress test of this particular scenario: what would the current accountability mechanism enable ? what enhancements or changes would be brought by the proposed accountability framework ?<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<div style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">Yes, I agree that this is, in effect a stress test. My view is that such a scenario under our current structures would be sorted out between us all. </div>
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It is clear to me that our initial report does NOT say that legal action could only be undertaken if all other remedies have been exhausted (I don't even think it would be legally feasible).</font><span><font color="#666666"> </font><i><font color="#0000ff">Clearly
this could not be mandatory in all circumstances, but </font></i></span></span><i><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:13px">I</span></font><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:13px"> think
you could take steps to encourage arbitration over resort to court if it really made sense to do that.</span></font></span></font></i></div>
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<div><font color="#666666" style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">So, that means that that in my scenario the community could go straight to court at any point that the Board ‘refuses’ to act. I’m not saying that is necessarily ‘bad’ but it’s important
to understand. </font><font color="#0000ff"><i><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:13px">Not sure I understand this. If the community vetoed a proposed budget, but the Board refused to honor that veto, the community </span></font></i></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Verdana"><i><span style="font-size:13px">could
seek to have its legal rights enforced – either in court or through arbitration. But under a member/designator model, the Board would be violating its legal obligation to honor the community veto. Why would it do that? </span></i></font></div>
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You are asking clarification of several questions :<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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* what the limited grounds are for a California Court to overturn an arbitration (IRP) decision ? (my own recollection of the IRP memos we received from counsel was : arbitration scope or procedure)</span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">Not sure I understand this. I don’t think the courts in California currently have jurisdiction so I’m not sure that they can, today, involve themselves as you suggest.
</span><font color="#0000ff"><i><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:13px">Confused here. If ICANN violated its fiduciary duties, breached a contractual obligation, or engaged in tortious conduct, a California court – along with lots of other courts – would
have jurisdiction. With respect to fiduciary duties and contract breaches, California law would likely apply wherever the case was brought, though applicable law would vary in the case of tort claims. In the event the IRP became binding, a claimant could
go to Court in California to force ICANN to honor the panel’s decision. Again, though, if the IRP decision was binding, ICANN would have a legal obligation to honor it, so why would it refuse to do so?</span></font></i></font></div>
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* whether the proposed membership model would enable each UA to initiate legal action against Icann irrespective of what other parts of the community think ? (my understanding is : yes. But I guess that today if NARALO felt a decision was causing them
prejudice they could sue Icann as well, so maybe we should reframe the question into : would there be a significant increase of the risk for Icann to be sued ?)</span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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‘about what could they sue?’. Obviously, a gTLD registry has a contract with ICANN and could therefore sue ICANN (and vice versa) in respect to the contract. But I don’t think they could sue in respect to ICANN’s bylaws generally. And neither I suspect could
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<div style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">So, yes, the question;</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">is a relevant one provided you and I are right and any member will be able to sue ICANN about any interpretation ICANN makes about its bylaws. Thinking about it, we should probably
get clarity on all the areas that a member could sue on.</div>
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<font color="#0000ff"><i>I am confused. If ICANN refuses to honor a community veto of a budget or bylaw change, one or more of the UAs/members could use the IRP or go to court. Why is that a problem, if the budget has been vetoed with the support of the broader
community as required to veto in the first place? More to the point, why would the Board refuse to honor a veto imposed consistent with the requirements? We are making assumptions about lawlessness that seem odd to me. And if the Board is willing to ignore
its legal obligation to accept a properly imposed community veto, why shouldn’t the members be able to enforce their legal authority? If you are worried that one UA would claim that the community had vetoed a budget when that wasn’t what happened, any lawsuit
could be pretty readily disposed of by affidavits from other UAs.</i></font><br>
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<span style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Mathieu</span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font color="#444444"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">You've</span><span style="font-size:11pt"> asked a series of questions which </span></font></font><font color="#444444" face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">I
have thought about very carefully. I acknowledge that the scenario I suggest is unlikely but your questions have led me to a further question which I pose below my responses to yours.</span></font></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><i><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15px">- In your scenario the community would "mission creep". I am not clear how in our report the community
would direct the Board to do X. Community powers as we have defined them are restricted to reject / review on budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify this part of the scenario ?</span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15px"> </span></i></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15px">I do believe that it is feasible that the Board could refuse the follow a community veto on a budget item because
the board believes to do so would be a breach of the Board’s fiduciary duties to act in the interests of ICANN in accordance with ICANN’s mission. </span></div>
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<i><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">- If the Board refuses to act on the arbitrator findings, why would the community turn to California Court instead of </span>recall the Board ? </i><u></u><u></u></div>
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They may well turn to the recall mechanism but would they HAVE TO. Is it anticipated that the resort to legal action would only be possible once ALL OTHER REMEDIES have been exhausted? In other words, in effect the only thing a court would ever be asked to
do is to enforce the communities spill of the Board? Or is it perhaps anticipated that the community to resort to the court at any stage along the escalation process?</div>
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<i><span style="font-size:11pt">Given that there was a a binding arbitration decision directing Icann to do X, my understanding was that the court of California would have very limited grounds to turn the decision around. Is that not already
addressing the concern of allowing a court of california to decide on what is or is not within Icann's mission ?</span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></i></div>
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The key point is that irrespective of whether there are “limited grounds” for the court to reverse a decision or take a decision contrary to the views of the community,it could happen. The ultimate authority becomes the Californian legal system. <br>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"><i>And finally, is it not the case today that a Court of California could make such a binding decision ? </i></span></font><br>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">My question is an extension of the point I’ve made above about when the community can go to court. </span></font></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:15px">Am I correct in m</span></font><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15px">y understanding that once
we become a member based organisation, it would be open to any of the member UAs to use the court system to bring an action against ICANN. In other words if the ALAC UA (and I’m just using ALAC as an example) was concerned about ICANN’s interpretation of one
of its non-fundamental by-laws then ALAC UA would have legal standing to bring an action in California irrespective of what other members think? </span></div>
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<div>On 21 May 2015, at 17:14 , Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:</div>
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Chris, All,</span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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thanks for explaining the concern through this step by step scenario. This is taking us closer to a stress test approach, which is not only valuable but also mandatory for our group, as per our Charter. I understand your concern is (quoting your email) "handing
ultimate authority to a state based American court and allowing it to make binding and precedent setting decisions about the interpretation of ICANN’s mission."<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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Le 21/05/2015 03:45, Chris Disspain a écrit :<br>
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<font color="#444444">Second, I would like to use a step-by-step scenario to explain where my concerns lie. Under the CCWG’s currently proposed mechanisms:</font><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px">
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">1. The community, pursuant to powers defined in a “fundamental bylaw”, and through a vote of that meeting the required threshold
for<span> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);white-space:pre-wrap"></span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">support, directs the Board to
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">2. The Board refuses to do X because it maintains that X is outside of the mission of ICANN</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">3. The community triggers escalation mechanisms</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">4. Escalation proceeds to binding arbitration (as defined by another fundamental bylaw)</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">5. The arbitrator finds in favour of the community and directs ICANN to do X</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">6. The Board refuses to act, citing, again, that it believes the action is outside of ICANN’s mission</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;text-indent:0px"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">7. After the necessary community votes etc., the community now heads to court. In the State of California.</span></div>
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I have four questions :<span> </span><br>
- In your scenario the community would "mission creep". I am not clear how in our report the community would direct the Board to do X. Community powers as we have defined them are restricted to reject / review on budgets or bylaws. Could you clarify this part
of the scenario ?<span> </span><br>
- If the Board refuses to act on the arbitrator findings, why would the community turn to California Court instead of<span> </span></font><span style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">recall
the Board ?<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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Given that there was a a binding arbitration decision directing Icann to do X, my understanding was that the court of California would have very limited grounds to turn the decision around. Is that not already addressing the concern of allowing a court of
california to decide on what is or is not within Icann's mission ?<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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And finally, is it not the case today that a Court of California could make such a binding decision ?<span> </span></span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<span style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Mathieu</span><br style="font:13px/normal Verdana;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font color="#444444">As I understand it, the role of the court in this scenario would be to determine whether the Board is acting in a way that is serving the public interest within ICANN’s mission.
It would not be to decide whether, on balance, the community was ‘more right’ than the Board. </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font color="#444444">Right now as a global multi-stakeholder body we decide the nuances of the meaning of ICANN’s mission and the way ICANN acts under that mission by using the multi-stakeholder process
and by compromise and nuanced decision making.</font></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font color="#444444">If we agree to the CCWG recommendations we will not be handing ultimate authority to the members but rather we will be handing ultimate authority to a state based American court
and allowing it to make binding and precedent setting decisions about the interpretation of ICANN’s mission. </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><font color="#444444">Does the ICANN community</font><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"> really want the specific nuances of ICANN’s mission to be held up to scrutiny and have decisions made,
at the highest level, through such a mechanism? Whilst that may give comfort to, for example, US members of the intellectual property community or US listed registries, it gives me no comfort whatsoever.</span></div>
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<div>On 21 May 2015, at 07:51 , Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font>The “enforceability" issue is not about litigation at all, and it isn</font>’<font>t really about </font>whether the Board or some newly invented group is more likely to get it right<font>.
Rather, it</font>’s about checks and balances. <font>Without the membership structure, the revised bylaws that empower the community to block certain actions, for example, are by definition advisory – they impose no<span> </span><i><b>legal</b></i><span> </span>obligation
whatsoever on the Board and staff. </font>I don’t dispute that the Board would have a compelling interest in respecting community input, but as a legal matter without the membership structure,<font> the Board would be </font><b>required</b><font> to
treat any community vote to block, for example, as merely advisory and would have an affirmative obligation to do what it concludes is consistent with its fiduciary duty. The membership model affirmatively shifts some of that fiduciary responsibility to the
community. It’s not a statement of who is right or wrong, but who has authority. </font></font><font style="font-family:Arial">Steve raises a reasonable question about how the members/unincorporated associations are accountable to their respective
communities. But IMHO, the legitimate questions and concerns in this debate are getting obscured by </font><font style="font-family:Arial">polarizing language and assertions that it’s inappropriate to express a particular point of view.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font>The argument that there are no examples of situations </font>that did result or would have resulted in the community acting as one against an action or decision of the ICANN Board.<font>” </font><font>The
community has never had any authority or tool to do so, so the fact that it never has is irrelevant and the assertion that it would not have is speculation. I certainly would have tried to get the community to overturn the Board’s decision to abandon the
substantive standard for IRPs in favor of the “good faith” test. As it happens, none of the existing review and redress mechanisms would have worked in that case, and they probably </font><font>wouldn’t work in the future either.</font></font></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date:<span> </span></span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 12:37 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:<span> </span></span>"Chartier, Mike S" <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com" target="_blank">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:<span> </span></span>Accountability Community <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div>I don’t think there’s any question that the Board’s primary duty (not their only duty) is to ICANN the Corporation. In addition to Mike’s citation of ICANN bylaws Section 7 (below), see ICANN’s Management Operating Principles (2008): </div>
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<div>Source: <span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:9pt"> ICANN Accountability & Transparency Frameworks and Principles, Jan-2008, p.5, at<span> </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_acct-2Dtrans-2Dframeworks-2Dprinciples-2D10jan08-2Den.pdf&d=AwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=N94BFwt7XlN1luKY2YsAlg92HkXfJ8UfYuQCH-3B3bY&s=-nHIJ38MbHZo2QiXUiLPqBi6YeaesFEbRqTO3RL3Jew&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9pt">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/acct-trans-frameworks-principles-10jan08-en.pdf</span></a></span><span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:9pt"> </span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From:<span> </span></span>"Chartier, Mike S"<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date:<span> </span></span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 9:56 AM<br>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-size:12pt"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span> </span>[<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Steve Crocker<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Drazek, Keith<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Question regarding UAs<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-size:12pt">I didn’t take it personally. I took it as a factually inaccurate statement that creates misunderstanding. Future boards are bound by the same rules as the past and current boards. The language
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On May 20, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Drazek, Keith <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">With all due respect, I think you’re taking this too personally and/or making it too personal. This is not about the current ICANN Board.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">None of us know what future ICANN Boards will do, or what future ICANN Boards will permit ICANN’s management to do. Will future Boards always exercise appropriate
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I see the proposed community membership structure simply as a check on the power of the Board, nothing more. It’s not about “controlling” or replacing the Board.
The Board has its legitimate function, but its decisions cannot be unchallengeable. The community must have the ability to tell the Board it got a decision wrong and to enforce the will of the multi-stakeholder community in rare/limited instances and based
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I would certainly trust the proposed community members, representing their SOs and ACs, to be balanced, inclusive and trustworthy in protecting the interests
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Would you trust a future Board of sixteen unknown individuals more than you trust the multi-stakeholder, bottom-up, consensus-based community and process? It
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Stephen D. Crocker; Chris Disspain; Accountability Cross Community;<span> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mshears@cdt.org</span></a>;<span> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">egmorris1@toast.net</span></a><br>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-size:12pt">I think there's a fundamental flaw in your assessment. You appear to be looking at this question through the lens of the past and present, where NTIA holds the enforcement function ("enforceability")
through its ability to rebid and transfer the IANA functions contract if the ICANN Board and management acts inappropriately. That is the existing and necessary check on the Board's decision-making power. <u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-size:12pt">Without NTIA in its current role, the community MUST have the ability to check the Board's power, and the only way to secure that check is to create legal enforceability. Otherwise, the Board
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-size:12pt">We have covered the point above several times and it’s long past time to stop throwing this half-trust around. Yes, ICANN is legally a corporation, and, yes, directors of a corporation have a
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-size:12pt">There will always be differences of opinion about the particular details, but those sorts of differences of opinion will arise in *any* governance model. The prevailing assumption in much of
the correspondence on this list is that the proposed members will somehow be more balanced, more inclusive and more trustworthy in protecting the interests of the overall community than the ICANN Board is. That’s simply false. And I think you know that it
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we arrive at post-transition, these need to be improved. Many of the improvements proposed by the CCWG: to the IRP, reconsideration mechanisms and the role of the ombudsman, the introduction of fundamental bylaws and binding arbitration, and the empowerment
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of circumstances. If we assume a situation where proposed mechanisms for escalation, independent review, <i>binding </i>arbitration and direct instruction by the SOs and ACs are not acknowledged by ICANN, wouldn’t the entire multi-stakeholder model
be irreparably broken? Is addressing this most unlikely scenario worth the significant structural changes a membership model would require? </span><u></u><u></u></div>
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wonder whether these concerns are actually held by individuals (or individual constituencies) on particular issues and have been aggregated in to a larger picture of overall community dissatisfaction? Concerns by distinct groups on particular topics can certainly
be dealt with by the increased robustness proposed to ICANN’s bylaws and operations.<span> </span>However, I cannot think of a single example of a failure throughout the history of ICANN that did result or would have resulted
in the community as one against an action or decision of the ICANN Board. </span><u></u><u></u></div>
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place because we want to be able to take ICANN or the Board to court if they do not follow the rules. I tend to agree with the auDA comment that if it ever gets to that stage, we are REALLY in trouble, and a simple court decision is not likelt to fix it.<br>
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But that nothwithstanding, we supposedly ned that UA because they can take legal action. But if the UA representatives<span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span><span> </span>do
not listen to the SO/AC. the SO/AC cannot take that rep to court, because the SO/AC has no legal persona. So we are again left with a discontinuity where something is largely unenforceable and we have to take it on faith that they will do the right thing.<br>
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I think I understand the argument about members becoming that to which<br>
ICANN, and its Board, are responsible and accountable. From that<br>
perspective it sounds really good.<br>
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What I have having trouble understanding is an accountability structure<br>
were there is a discontinuity between the SOAC and the UA. If each of<br>
the Board designating SOAC were the UA, it think I would understand.<br>
But I just do not see how the UA are accountable to the people and<br>
organizations that participate in each of the SOAC. Yes, the SOAC<br>
designates it UA representative, but how is (s)electing one of these any<br>
more accountable than (s)electing the Board as we do now. Don't we just<br>
move the perceived/possible unaccountability down a layer in the hierarchy?<br>
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I think I am as comfortable with complexity as the next person. And I<br>
understand how in computer science any problem can solved by adding<br>
another layer of indirection, but in this case the extra layer we are<br>
creating does not seem to really be accountable to anyone but itself,<br>
except by (s)election procedures.<br>
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I am sure I am missing some critical bit of understanding and hope<br>
someone can explain the chain of accountability in the membership<br>
model. I feel that we are still hand-waving a bit in the explanations.<br>
In a sense it seems as if we are creating a 'council' that is omnipotent<br>
in the powers it is given, except that they can somehow be replaced.<br>
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Thanks and apologies for my persistent confusion.<br>
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On 20-May-15 01:14, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
> Hi all<br>
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> This thread is useful to tease out some of the questions and concerns<br>
> and confusions with the UA model, and as rapporteur for the WP<br>
> responsible for refining this part of the proposal I am reading it avidly.<br>
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> I just want to take the opportunity to remind us all why membership<br>
> (or something analogous) is an important aspect of the reforms we are<br>
> proposing - no matter the precise details.<br>
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> At the moment without members, ICANN is fundamentally controlled by<br>
> the Board. The only external constraint is the IANA functions contract<br>
> with NTIA. The long list of community concerns and examples detailed<br>
> by our earlier work in this CCWG shows that even with that constraint,<br>
> accountability isn't up to scratch.<br>
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> We are working on a settlement without that NTIA contract.<br>
> Accountability has to get better even *with* the contract.<br>
> Fundamentally better, without it.<br>
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> Either we have a membership structure or some other durable approach<br>
> that firmly embeds the stewardship of ICANN and the DNS in the ICANN<br>
> community, or... we remain with Board control.<br>
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> Given ICANN's history, anyone who is advocating a continuation of<br>
> Board control is arguing for a model that can't be suitably<br>
> accountable, and that seems highly likely to fail over time, with real<br>
> risks to the security and stability of the DNS.<br>
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> A real, fundamental source of power over the company absent the<br>
> contract *has* to be established. The membership model is the most<br>
> suitable one to achieve that that we have considered so far.<br>
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> So: we need to be creative and thoughtful in how we make that model<br>
> work in a fashion that disrupts ICANN's general operation as little as<br>
> possible. But the key there is "as possible." Real change is needed<br>
> and much refinement and comment is needed.<br>
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> If there are proposals to achieve the same shift in control from ICANN<br>
> the corporation to ICANN the community, I hope they come through in<br>
> the comment period. So far, none have - but there are still two weeks<br>
> of comments to go.<br>
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> cheers<br>
> Jordan<br>
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> On 20 May 2015 at 10:45, Malcolm Hutty <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">malcolm@linx.net</span></a><br>
> <mailto:<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">malcolm@linx.net</span></a>>> wrote:<br>
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> This whole thread seems to have massively overcomplicated the<br>
> question.<br>
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> Unless I have missed something, the only reason we need "members"<br>
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> stand as plaintiff-of-record in a lawsuit against the ICANN Board<br>
> complaining that the Board has failed to adhere to the corporations<br>
> bylaws. Such a lawsuit would in reality be conducted by an SO or<br>
> AC, but<br>
> a person with legal personality needs to act as plaintiff-of-record.<br>
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> Why not simply proceed, as Samantha suggested, with the SOACs'<br>
> Chairs as<br>
> the members of the corporation? Could the Articles (or Bylaws, as<br>
> appropriate) not simply identify the SOACs' Chairs as the members, ex<br>
> officio and pro tempore?<br>
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> An SOAC Chair that refused to act as plaintiff-of-record when required<br>
> to do so by his SOAC could simply be replaced. Likewise a Chair that<br>
> went rogue and initiated a lawsuit without their consent.<br>
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> You can't make the SOAC a member without turning them into UAs,<br>
> with all<br>
> the attendent complexity. But I don't see that there should be any<br>
> such<br>
> problem with designating the chair of a SOAC, who will be a natural<br>
> person, as a member of the corporation; the fact that the SOAC is<br>
> not a<br>
> UA is then irrelevant.<br>
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> In the event that there were any dispute as to whether a particular<br>
> person is in truth an SOAC Chair, this would surely be a simple<br>
> preliminary matter of fact for the court. It is surely beyond dispute<br>
> that if the Articles designated "Alan Greenberg" as the member, it<br>
> would<br>
> be a matter of fact as to whether or not the person before the<br>
> court was<br>
> indeed Alan Greenberg; surely it is the same as to whether the person<br>
> before the court is "the current Chair of ALAC", if that should be<br>
> what<br>
> is specified in the Articles?<br>
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> Malcolm.<br>
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