<div dir="ltr">Although I certainly understand Jonathan's frustration with the direction of some of the comments on this list, I reject his call for individuals to self censor comments that are done respectfully and that they honestly believe further the discussion of accountability. I participate in this project in good faith and I presume others do as well. Although everyone is free to approach things as they wish, I certainly will not follow Jonathan's approach and impugn ulterior motives ("flag"..."overt attempts"..."derail") to those who make posts in the topical area he delineates.<div><br></div><div>We all have different background and pet peeves. Jonathan's appears to be in the area of Board - Community history / mistrust. Some of these discussions have actually hardened my belief that we need the strong enforcement provisions provided by membership: if feelings are this strong less concrete enforcement mechanisms simply won't work. In that way these discussions have been valuable to me. My pet peeve are the many posts by those who don't understand basic legal principles, concepts or definitions, resulting in questions that are innane and conclusions that are inaccurate and harmful to our progress. Yet I would never ask people not to post such ill conceived ideas because every so often in the midst of the their garbage there is a gem I hadn't considered. That is truly valuable.</div><div><br></div><div> I look forward to reading, perhaps slugging through might be a better description, the many ideas and opinions raised and expressed through this process wherever it may take us. It's a frustrating process but I certainly do not want to create a situation where folks are afraid or self conscious about posting something because it may irritate someone else. Please be respectful and honest in all posts and accept my thanks for volunteering your time to help create an effective, open, inclusive and democratic internet governance regime.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for considering,<br><div><br></div><div>Ed</div><div><br></div><div> <div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Pär Brumark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brumark@telia.com" target="_blank">brumark@telia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Agree totally and +1 Jonathan!<br>
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<div>Folks,</div>
<div>I’m sure if we think about it for just a second, we can
all agree that anyone’s recollections (whatever their tenure
or status in the community) about the past intentions,
motives and actions of the board, the community or some
interest group, are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. The exercise in
which we are engaged involves imaging the worst of these
things and attempting to put structures in place to mitigate
the consequences should the unfortunate occur. Let’s stop
returning to this TOTALLY USELESS discussion of track
records and good intentions and stay on task. If you believe
the community can do no wrong and the board represents a
machiavellian force of darkness that needs to be throttled,
you’re in entitled to your opinion. Just take it someplace
else. If you believe the community is just a rag tag
collection of special interest groups with political motives
and that the board should receive a medal, I hereby
validate your opinion as well. Now take it someplace else.
This is decidedly NOT the conversation we are trying to have
here. Every time it comes up, it sends us down a ridiculous
path and ends badly.</div>
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<div>So here’s my proposal:</div>
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<li>If you are drafting a post to the list and it begins to
sound like either an accusation or defense of the board,
the community or some SO or AC, PLEASE STOP TYPING. Back
way from the PC, go for a walk, come back and post
something that is helpful to the discussion.</li>
<li>If you spot a post that slips through that reads like
either an accusation or defense of the board, the
community or some SO or AC, DON’T TAKE THE BAIT. Count to
10, call your therapist, do whatever you must, but LET IT
GO. </li>
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<div>That is all. Henceforth, I will flag all such posts as
overt attempts to derail this process of developing an
effective accountability framework for ICANN because there
can be no other explanation for their continued existence.
If you find yourself writing something like “in all my
years,” “it’s been my experience,” or “I don’t recall” stop
typing immediately and think about the useless debate you
are about to start or continue.</div>
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<div>This is NOT about the current board, the current
community or anyone’s intentions or motives. It’s about a
post IANA contract world in which ICANN needs effective
accountability to the community. That’s it. It’s not
personal. Let’s get back to work. Thank you.</div>
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