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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Mathieu,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for this suggestion. However the timing of the CCWG call on June 16<sup>th</sup> conflicts with another prior commitments I cannot change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However, perhaps the unanswered aspects of my questions might be further clarified with following considerations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On question 4, the gist of the question is to observe that there might be important implications deriving from the legal and practical hurdles GAC participants
may have to pursue under their national legislations. And that this might lead to a different composition of the GAC and the GAC-UA. What implications are there for the exercise of the community powers? May a GAC-UA with fewer members than the GAC itself exercise
the powers or not or what would be the threshold? Perhaps this might not be directly a legal issue, but we cannot close our eyes before it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On question 5, perhaps an example may serve: nowadays if GAC members disagree on the interpretation of the operating principles, there is no legal consequence
to that (to my eyes), as the GAC is not a legal person and the operating principles have no legal status. I understand that this would change if we were acting within the GAC-UA, as it actions (as e.g. a voting procedure to exercise a community power) would
need to adjust to the rules of the UA, and in case of disagreement/conflict I guess that legal actions could be adopted. So, what are the implications of this? (</span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">What would be the consequences of conflicts
of interpretation between members of the GAC-UA and/or of external stakeholders affected by decisions of the GAC-UA? What legislation would they apply? What would be the responsibilities of GAC-UA officers and/or members affected by such a conflict? How would
they specifically protected from liability? To what extent?</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">).)
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And my remark to question 6 is self-explanatory. We have gone through very detailed legal analysis regarding some very minute aspects of other issues. Why is
it sufficient to base an answer to this question on general desiderata? I feel a more detailed answer would be possible and useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jorge Cancio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"> Mathieu Weill [mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 11. J</span><span lang="DE" style="color:windowtext">uni 2015 16:09<br>
<b>An:</b> Gregory, Holly; Cancio Jorge BAKOM; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rfei@adlercolvin.com<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Legal Memo - Responses to CCWG GAC representatives Questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear Colleagues,<br>
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Many thanks to Jorge and Damien for these feedbacks. These questions are indeed quite important and that is the reason why we requested legal advice.
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In order to achieve better understanding of the questions (I must admit I may not have fully grasped the underlying expectations) we suggest to dedicate a part of the CCWG call on tuesday 16 June for this clarification. Direct communication will certainly be
a more efficient process. <br>
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Best regards,<br>
Mathieu<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 10/06/2015 13:20, Gregory, Holly a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dear Jorge, <br>
We will take another look at the questions if the co-chairs direct. It would be helpful if the co-chairs would clarify the questions. We are apparently not fully understanding them as stated. <br>
Kind regards, Holly <br>
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Sent with Good (<a href="http://www.good.com">www.good.com</a>)</span><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 10, 2015 05:37:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a>; Gregory, Holly<br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: [CCWG-ACCT] Legal Memo - Responses to CCWG GAC representatives Questions</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Dear Mathieu,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Thanks a lot for this document.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">After having a first look into it, I would just like to observe that -at least regarding the questions I have posed in CCWG calls or on the list- they have only been partially answered.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">To be more specific:
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">1) answer to question 4 misses the point an does not provide a response to the dangers in asymmetrical composition between GAC and the eventual GAC-UA;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">2) response to question 5 is also very incomplete as it does not provide an answer to the very specific questions contained in that question (<i>Question 5: As to the operation of the UA, while nowadays
the infringement or differing interpretation of GAC rules of procedure (e.g. operating principles) have no legal consequence, this would change in case these rules would be applied to an existing legal person (the UA)? What would be the consequences of conflicts
of interpretation between members of the GAC-UA and/or of external stakeholders affected by decisions of the GAC-UA? What legislation would they apply? What would be the responsibilities of GAC-UA officers and/or members affected by such a conflict? How would
they specifically protected from liability? To what extent?</i>). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">3) response to question 6 contains a number of “desiderata” (“so long”… “should not”… “we are confident”) instead of a detailed legal analysis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Personally I feel that answering quickly, reutilizing former documents and/or linking generally to them is not really the proper way forward. After having a look into several inputs made in the public
consultation, I see some of these issues put forward by different contributors, which is again a sign of them being serious points which need to be addressed in depth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Therefore, I would kindly ask you to look again into these issues accordingly</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Best regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Jorge Cancio </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@</a></span><span lang="DE" style="color:windowtext">icann.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mathieu Weill<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 9. Juni 2015 13:58<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rosemary E. Fei; Holly Gregory<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] Legal Memo - Responses to CCWG GAC representatives Questions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Colleagues,<br>
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Please find attached a lawyer's memo which provides legal answers to a list of questions that were raised during the last few weeks by government representatives, either on list, during the CCWG calls, or through the public comment. It is also available on
the wiki page collecting legal responses : <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pages_viewpage.action-3FpageId-3D52890082&d=AwMFAw&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=1-1w8mU_eFprE2Nn9QnYf01XIV88MOwkXwHYEbF2Y_8&m=BhA9PWb0JrmmwE8bYPsMpA5GA_EMMsUBLU7LI6vwoFc&s=PLFipEebcbGoUFeV-3TQIK_lbxzMLmN5u8qpQxqYL78&e=">
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=52890082</a> <br>
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As discussed during our call this morning an updated version of the chart on page 5 of governance powers memo (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_52890082_update-2520Legal-2520Assessment-2520-2D-2520Executive-2520Summary-252C-2520Summary-2520Chart-2520and-2520Revised-2520Governan....pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1430442481000-26api-3Dv2&d=AwMFAw&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=1-1w8mU_eFprE2Nn9QnYf01XIV88MOwkXwHYEbF2Y_8&m=BhA9PWb0JrmmwE8bYPsMpA5GA_EMMsUBLU7LI6vwoFc&s=27Q1vp21pq4ujESZx0oONqu6htSSUJjDiTUQV_-WlZg&e=">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890082/update%20Legal%20Assessment%20-%20Executive%20Summary%2C%20Summary%20Chart%20and%20Revised%20Governan....pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430442481000&api=v2</a>
) is currently being prepared. <br>
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Best regards,<br>
Mathieu<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Legal Sub-team,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached please find a memo responding to the list of questions from the Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) provided to us on June 5, 2015.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">TYLER</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <b>HILTON</b></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sidley Austin LLP<br>
555 West Fifth Street<br>
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+1.213.896.6130<br>
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<pre>Mathieu WEILL<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>AFNIC - directeur général<o:p></o:p></pre>
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