<p dir="ltr">In a typical RIR environment where there is proper membership setup, it&#39;s members &quot;trusts&quot; it&#39;s board members to abide by the bylaw there has not been any reason to go by legal means on board. Worse case is that the board gets spilled. These folks are human beings and it would be almost impossible for them to go against an unanimous will of the community.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What I think may have been missing within ICANN bylaw are adequate text that ensure community engagement which I think the ccwg has done a good job on in it&#39;s recommendation/report. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Let&#39;s then see if ICANN board would refuse to abide by it&#39;s own bylaw as amended.</p>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">I wonder if with &quot;</font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium">If a future ICANN Board were to jump the tracks, the community will no longer have the NTIA backstop. Without legal enforceability,
 the community would have to trust future ICANN Boards and trust future California Attorney Generals.</span> “ you’re not oversimplifying or over-contrasting between the  situation with legal enforceability and without.</div>
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<div>I think that in a situation where the board “jump the track”, the community ultimately goes through its process to spill the board and the board refuses to go, that board would be paralyzed in all ways, face shame and defamation individually on a global
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>&lt;Drazek&gt;, Keith Drazek &lt;<a>kdrazek@verisign.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>zondag 14 juni 2015 03:52<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Chris Disspain &lt;<a>ceo@auda.org.au</a>&gt;<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [Acct-Legal] Memo - Revised Powers Chart, Voluntary Model<br>
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<div>NTIA&#39;s current enforcement powers are indirect but very real. Through its existing ability to re-bid the IANA Functions contract, NTIA ensures that ICANN and its Board of Directors remain true to its bylaws. That unique role is set to change.</div>
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<div>If a future ICANN Board were to jump the tracks, the community will no longer have the NTIA backstop. Without legal enforceability, the community would have to trust future ICANN Boards and trust future California Attorney Generals. Why shouldn&#39;t we instead
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<div>If a future ICANN community were to try to spill the board, wouldn&#39;t we want that consensus decision to be legally enforceable? Or do we want to allow a future Board to tell the community it was wrong and, claiming fiduciary responsibility to the corporation,
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<div>Ultimately, we&#39;re deciding whether authority should rest with the ICANN Board and the California AG, or with the ICANN community and the California AG. </div>
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<div>I&#39;m in favor of the latter.</div>
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On Jun 13, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Chris Disspain &lt;<a>ceo@auda.org.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div>On 14 Jun 2015, at 02:29 , Paul Rosenzweig &lt;<a>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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We need more formal powers for the community because much of the power of the NTIA was informal. The only thing that could replace the NTIA precisely would be the NTIA.  I get that you don&#39;t like the membership model. But asking why a non-governmental solution
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<div>1. on Becky’s comment below: if that is correct then surely the same applies to the relationship between the SO/AC and its Unincorporated Association. If a court cannot enforce a Board spill by the SOs/ACs then a court can also not make the UA
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<div>2. on Keith’s comment below: How does the NTIA currently have powers of enforcement over ICANN outside of matters covered in the IANA contract? If NTIA was/is prepared to enter into an Affirmation of Commitment with ICANN which can be terminated
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I think you highlight a key point.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Currently, NTIA and the California Attorney General are the only enforcement bodies ensuring ICANN remains committed to its bylaws.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The membership structure would give some of that authority to the ICANN community through its existing structures -- the SOs and ACs.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Isn’t that the definition of transitioning the United States government (in its various forms) out of its unique role?</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">After NTIA disengages, don’t we want the community to have shared authority for enforcement, rather than leaving it to the California Attorney General alone?</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span> </span>[<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Friday, June 12, 2015 11:07 AM<br>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">As I understand it, Courts view the bylaws as a contract between a corporation and its members/shareholders.  If ICANN has no members, the bylaws are not a contract with anyone, so
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The fact that members of SO’s are legal entities doesn’t change this.  Unless they are members of ICANN, they are not a party to the bylaws “contract.”</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Roelof Meijer &lt;<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date:<span> </span></b>Friday, June 12, 2015 at 8:18 AM<br>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I understand that the SO/AC’s, not being legal entities, cannot take legal action to enforce. However, does that really equal &quot;</span><span>no mechanism to restrain ICANN from
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Most members of SO’s are legal entities, many members of AC’s are too, couldn’t those members, being affected parties, individually or collectively take legal action?</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Alternatively, I would assume that before the ultimate step of talking legal action against ICANN, the community will have escalated through its powers and thus has completed the procedure
 to recall the entire board. The power to recall the entire board will have to be combined with the power to in one way or another appoint an interim board. So, the community, through due process, recalls the board. The board, in contradiction with the bylaws,
 refuses “to go”. The community has recalled the board and thus, through the defined process (also in the bylaws), appoints an interim board. According to the bylaws, this interim board is now the legal representative of ICANN. And can take the required legal
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">&lt;Hofheimer&gt;, &quot;Joshua T.&quot; &lt;<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date:<span> </span></b>donderdag 11 juni 2015 06:09<br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>&quot;<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:<span> </span></b>Sidley ICANN CCWG &lt;<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com</a>&gt;, ICANN-Adler
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<b>Subject:<span> </span></b>[Acct-Legal] Memo - Revised Powers Chart, Voluntary Model</span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Legal Sub-Team,</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Further to the CCWG request on the call last Friday, attached is a memo revising the summary chart describing the viability of the enumerated powers under the three models – Member model, Designator Model and
 Voluntary Model.  We also explore the impact of not having the SO/ACs organized legal persons to represent their interests.</span><span></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</a><span> </span>[<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline">mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Acct-Legal] Memo - Responses to CCWG GAC Questions</span><span></span></p>
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<span>Attached please find a memo responding to the list of questions from the Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) provided to us on June 5, 2015.</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">TYLER</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> <b>HILTON</b></span><span><br>
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