<div dir="ltr">Maybe we could have a "default" max of one per firm on WP calls and the same on CCWG calls, with more allowed if the subject matter in the agenda demands it?<div><br></div><div>I too share Roelof's view...</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 June 2015 at 17:03, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-family:'Verdana';font-size:13px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Speaking as a lawyer……give lawyers a maximum and they will use it!<br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 21 Jun 2015, at 05:49 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Thanks Roelof,<br><br>This is a maximum, not a minimum. Therefore, this doesn’t mean we will be having 4 lawyers a call but rather limit their attendance to 4 whereas before we had no limit and I can recall meetings where we had more than 4 lawyers attending.<br><br>I hope this is more clear.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br><br>León<br><br><blockquote type="cite">El 20/06/2015, a las 16:44, Roelof Meijer <<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl" target="_blank">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>> escribió:<br><br>Léon, Mathieu,<br><br>You can¹t be serious. I see no reason whatsoever why we would need 2<br>lawyers per firm and so 4 lawyers per call/meeting. These are reputed<br>firms and expert lawyers, one of each firm should suffice.<br>I really take an issue with the amount of money we¹re spending on legal<br>advice<br><br>Best,<br><br>Roelof<br><br><br><br><br>On 20-06-15 16:35, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> on<br>behalf of León Felipe Sánchez Ambía"<br><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of<br><a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear all,<br><br>Just as a follow up to Mathieu¹s email, I would like to clarify that<br>lawyers maximum attendance per call/meeting is 2 lawyers per firm.<br><br><br>Best regards,<br><br><br>León<br><br><blockquote type="cite">El 20/06/2015, a las 16:24, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>escribió:<br><br>Dear Colleagues,<br><br>During last week's call, we agreed that the co-chair would engage with<br>the lawyers in order to optimize interactions between our group and the<br>independent legal counsel, taking into account the importance of quality<br>advice as well as the concerns regarding expenses.<br><br>We have met today with Holly and Rosemary and this is to report on the<br>ways forward we have agreed on :<br><br>* to avoid any misunderstanding on questions, as well as enable a<br>better assessment of costs, we will refrain from certifying questions<br>until :<br> * a discussion has taken place between lawyers and the colleague<br>asking the question, either through a regular call or through ad hoc<br>calls (such ad hoc calls would obviously be transcribed and open)<br> * such a discussion has, if need be, produced a clarified version of<br>the question, an estimate of whether the response would require a lot of<br>research, and an indication of the potential value of the research for<br>the group's further deliberations.<br><br>* participation of lawyers to meetings and calls will be limited to a<br>maximum of 2. As a consequence, lawyers may not always be able to<br>respond to our questions instantly. In such cases, we will rely on the<br>above certification process.<br><br>* a "punch list" of issues will be produced avec Buenos Aires and<br>shared with the group as a project management tool.<br><br>We are convinced these simple steps will be useful to get the best<br>value out of the outstanding expertise of our cousel.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>--<br>*****************************<br>Mathieu WEILL<br>AFNIC - directeur général<br>Tél: <a href="tel:%2B33%201%2039%2030%2083%2006" value="+33139308306" target="_blank">+33 1 39 30 83 06</a><br><a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>Twitter : @mathieuweill<br>*****************************<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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