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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The IANA Stewardship Transition Coordinating Group (ICG) drafted its communique live and in-person during its first meeting last July. I recall because I held
the pen (keyboard). It’s not that unusual.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That said, I support Jordan’s suggestion that we discuss the practice during our next full meeting of the CCWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dr Eberhard W Lisse<br>
<b>Cc:</b> List ccTLD Community; cctldworld@icann.org; directors@omadhina.net; <ccnso-members@icann.org>; CCWG Accountability<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [ccTLDcommunity] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I haven't seen a communique written live in front of a meeting since a conference we ran in 2010. I suppose it does happen sometimes, but would welcome an item for our discussion at our next meeting whether we wish to adopt the same approach,
or whether people are happy when such writing is required to have people draft it, and then discussion at the meetings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me a broad based live drafting standard would considerably delay our work, but a shared understanding of what we would like to see in place could be useful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jordan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21 June 2015 at 12:26, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com" target="_blank">epilisse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Co-Chairs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wish to thank your collleague Leon very much for admitting in person that it was not deliberated.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:06, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com" target="_blank">epilisse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Reading out loud is not deliberating.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So It is correct.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">el<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:01, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is not correct. It was read out loud, circulated for feedback and then published.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Objection noted.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El 21/06/2015, a las 11:57, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com" target="_blank">epilisse@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So what I hear that it was drafted by the Co-Chairs during lunch is correct. Never mind that it was not deliberated by the plenum.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since the statement uses past tense it is at best misleading. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, for the record, I object against the statement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">greetings, el<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jun 21, 2015, at 09:46, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This was drafted before the end of our working day session, read out loud to attendants and circulated for feedback.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El 21/06/2015, a las 9:29, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I have not received a substantive response to my request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">My understanding is that it was drafted before the meeting was finished, over lunch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I demand an answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Jun 19, 2015, at 23:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com" target="_blank">epilisse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Jun 19, 2015, at 17:10, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Attached in doc and pdf are the updated communique - clean, and showing all the changes tracked. Mathieu finalised this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Any comments or issues please to the list or the co-chairs by midnight Argentina time (around seven hours from time of sending)</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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