<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Seun, all:<br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
<div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22/06/2015, at 3:55 pm, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" class="">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hello Kavouss,<br class=""><br class=""></div>While i agree that its good we get further clarity on the "Empowered SO/AC model", i think we have the overall high level characteristics of the model and it may be good to consider other-ways to "enforceability" other than formalising the SO/AC as well.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I think the advice we have received is that designator approach in the legal sense could allow for enforcement of 4/6 powers, membership approach 6/6, and voluntary approach 0/6. For designator or member you need some kind of “legal person”. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>If there are other paths to enforceability I would be interested to know what they are - does anybody know of any?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><br class="">I for one like the empowered SO/AC model as its really an improvement to the full membership model and less complicated (seem to be an advanced designator model). Nevertheless there is still the reality that its a members model and there are cons associated with this and it may be good to put them side by side with the current "voluntary model" that operates an "Empowered bylaw" post-transition (yeah empowered seem to be the buzz word lately ;-) )<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is a beast I have never heard of, an empowered bylaw :-)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>J<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Regards<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Kavouss Arasteh<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Dear All,</div><div class="">First of all ,let us wait for a clear way forward to be on the Table be fore our next meeting on Wednesday</div><div class="">Secondly, if we clearly distinguish between rights to participate to voting of any or all of the six/seven powers as well as issues relying to IRP FROM issue of empowerment ,requiring membership ( at least one member to have a stand for enforce certain decisions /conclusion made through voting ,many questions would be narrowed down to fewer numbers .</div><div class="">Pls kindly advise on that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div class="">Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class="h5">2015-06-22 18:52 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class=""></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Dear all,<br class=""><br class=""></div>First i like to thank the Co-Chairs for responding to all the questions during the townhall meeting. Milton mentioned 2 things and i like to use that to provide my feedback/suggestions:<br class=""><br class=""></div>- Purpose of the CCWG:<br class=""><br class="">IMO, i think the purpose of the CCWG is to recommend ways to improve ICANN accountability but enforceability could just be one of such features and not the ultimate goal.<br class=""><br class=""></div>- Enforceability solutions other than membership:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><div class="">Considering the complications relating to the various membership models that has been suggested, there is obvious need to consider what is achievable within the current structure and i think everything is achievable except enforceability. Puting that in mind, i think the CCWG report in summary has provided the following (amongst others):<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- They have looked into the current bylaw and proposed edits that would ensure community engagement in the board decision making process which is not existing at the moment<br class=""></div><div class="">- They have proposed ways by which the suggested edits to the bylaw once implemented can be updated (fundamental bylaw)<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think these 2 items are critical accountability enhancement and once implemented would have provided ICANN board with some specific guideline on how to approach issues as accordingly.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So it seem to me that we will already have some enforceability without actually requiring membership since an organisation board is required to obey/comply with its bylaw. So if the bylaw says; before you can do xyz, it needs to go through abc process, why would the board not follow/obey those direction as defined in the bylaw?<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As a follow-up to my question about ICANN board complying with its bylaw. I will like to ask the following questions:<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Has there been any known scenario where ICANN board at the moment did not obey its current bylaw?<br class=""></div><div class="">- If ICANN board does not obey its bylaw, what its legal implication to the board members with regards to their mandate?<br class=""></div><div class="">- Is it possible for board members to sign a mandate upon induction indicating that they would resign if the community (through a defined process) determined that they did not follow the organisation's bylaw?<br clear="all" class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class="">-- <br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; font-family: garamond, serif; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">web: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">Mobile:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a value="+2348035233535" class="">+2348035233535</a></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><br class=""></i><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453/" target="_blank" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank" class="">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></font><br class=""></div></div></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; font-family: garamond, serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">web: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">Mobile:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a value="+2348035233535" class="">+2348035233535</a></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class=""></span><br class=""></i><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0);" class="">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453/" target="_blank" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank" class="">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></font><br class=""></div></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>