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At 22/06/2015 03:08 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Seun, all:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On 22/06/2015, at 3:55 pm, Seun
Ojedeji
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br><br>
Hello Kavouss,<br><br>
While i agree that its good we get further clarity on the "Empowered
SO/AC model", i think we have the overall high level characteristics
of the model and it may be good to consider other-ways to
"enforceability" other than formalising the SO/AC as well.
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I think the advice we have received is that designator approach in the
legal sense could allow for enforcement of 4/6 powers, membership
approach 6/6, and voluntary approach 0/6. For designator or member you
need some kind of “legal person”. <br><br>
If there are other paths to enforceability I would be interested to know
what they are - does anybody know of any?</blockquote><br>
Yes, the proposal I made with the Subject line "Plan B" which
gave 1/6 directly and I believe would result in sufficient leverage to
meet the other 5 powers.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I for one like the empowered
SO/AC model as its really an improvement to the full membership model and
less complicated (seem to be an advanced designator model). Nevertheless
there is still the reality that its a members model and there are cons
associated with this and it may be good to put them side by side with the
current "voluntary model" that operates an "Empowered
bylaw" post-transition (yeah empowered seem to be the buzz
word lately ;-) )</blockquote><br>
This is a beast I have never heard of, an empowered bylaw :-)<br><br>
J<br>
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Regards<br><br>
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Kavouss Arasteh
<<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">
kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Dear All,<br>
<dd>First of all ,let us wait for a clear way forward to be on the Table
be fore our next meeting on Wednesday<br>
<dd>Secondly, if we clearly distinguish between rights to participate to
voting of any or all of the six/seven powers as well as issues
relying to IRP FROM issue of empowerment ,requiring membership ( at least
one member to have a stand for enforce certain decisions /conclusion made
through voting ,many questions would be narrowed down to fewer numbers
.<br>
<dd>Pls kindly advise on that <br>
<dd>Kavouss <br><br>
<dd>2015-06-22 18:52 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>
>:<br>
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<dd>Dear all,<br><br>
<dd>First i like to thank the Co-Chairs for responding to all the
questions during the townhall meeting. Milton mentioned 2 things and i
like to use that to provide my feedback/suggestions:<br><br>
<dd>- Purpose of the CCWG:<br><br>
<dd>IMO, i think the purpose of the CCWG is to recommend ways to improve
ICANN accountability but enforceability could just be one of such
features and not the ultimate goal.<br><br>
<dd>- Enforceability solutions other than membership: <br>
<dd>Considering the complications relating to the various membership
models that has been suggested, there is obvious need to consider what is
achievable within the current structure and i think everything is
achievable except enforceability. Puting that in mind, i think the CCWG
report in summary has provided the following (amongst others):<br><br>
<dd>- They have looked into the current bylaw and proposed edits that
would ensure community engagement in the board decision making process
which is not existing at the moment<br>
<dd>- They have proposed ways by which the suggested edits to the bylaw
once implemented can be updated (fundamental bylaw)<br><br>
<dd>I think these 2 items are critical accountability enhancement and
once implemented would have provided ICANN board with some specific
guideline on how to approach issues as accordingly.<br><br>
<dd>So it seem to me that we will already have some enforceability
without actually requiring membership since an organisation board is
required to obey/comply with its bylaw. So if the bylaw says; before you
can do xyz, it needs to go through abc process, why would the board not
follow/obey those direction as defined in the bylaw?<br><br>
<dd>As a follow-up to my question about ICANN board complying with its
bylaw. I will like to ask the following questions:<br><br>
<dd>- Has there been any known scenario where ICANN board at the moment
did not obey its current bylaw?<br>
<dd>- If ICANN board does not obey its bylaw, what its legal implication
to the board members with regards to their mandate?<br>
<dd>- Is it possible for board members to sign a mandate upon induction
indicating that they would resign if the community (through a defined
process) determined that they did not follow the organisation's
bylaw?<br><br>
<dd>Regards<br>
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<dd><font color="#888888">Seun Ojedeji,<br>
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