<div dir="ltr">Hi Roelof<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Roelof Meijer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl" target="_blank">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The “empowered SOs/Acs model” allows for enforcement of 6/6 powers if it "escalates into" the membership model</div>
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We should also consider the alternative option: making the designator model the escalation path. </div>
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ICANN would then not have to prepare to move to a membership model. Escalation into designator model would allow enforcement of 4/6 powers. Removing the board of part thereof is among them. Vetoing the budget is not.</div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">If the community, in line with the power given to it in ICANN</font>’<font face="Calibri,sans-serif">s (new) bylaws and the designed
process, vetoes the budget and the board ignores that veto, what would be the best next step? Taking the board to court to have the budget vetoed and redone? Or removing (part of) the board?</font></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">I</font><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><font face="Calibri"> would think the latter, as by ignoring the community</font>’<font face="Calibri">s veto of the budget (as the outcome
of due process that the board agreed to in the first place), such a board completely loses the trust and confidence of the community and can no longer function.</font></font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 on this. However i think its important to clearly define sufficient threshold of refused community (i don't prefer to call it veto) actions that would warrant a "community rod" on the board. I won't expect the community to initiate a removal process just because the board refuse to take specific item from the budget as recommended by the community.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><font style="font-family:Calibri" face="Calibri,sans-serif">So </font>I<font style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" face="Calibri"> suggest that, under the </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">“</font><font style="font-family:Calibri" face="Calibri,sans-serif">empowered </font>S<font style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" face="Calibri">Os/</font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">A</font><font face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Cs
model</font>”<font face="Calibri,sans-serif">, the possibility to legally enforce ONLY the power to remove (part of) the board would suffice. Legal enforcement of one or more of the other powers would simply never be used, unless combined with removal of the
board</font></font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with this proposition, so long as the legal enforcement under the "empowered SO/AC model" would not require any change in the current structure of SOs/ACs. By legal enforcement, i hope you mean "ICANN board members having refused to follow its bylaw is hereby <b>legally</b> required to step down from the board" and NOT "ICANN board members having refused to follow its bylaw is hereby required to step down from the board by the <b>community members</b>"<br><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>maandag 22 juni 2015 16:08<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
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While i agree that its good we get further clarity on the "Empowered SO/AC model", i think we have the overall high level characteristics of the model and it may be good to consider other-ways to "enforceability" other than formalising the SO/AC as well.<span> </span><br>
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I think the advice we have received is that designator approach in the legal sense could allow for enforcement of 4/6 powers, membership approach 6/6, and voluntary approach 0/6. For designator or member you need some kind of “legal person”. </div>
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<div>If there are other paths to enforceability I would be interested to know what they are - does anybody know of any?</div>
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I for one like the empowered SO/AC model as its really an improvement to the full membership model and less complicated (seem to be an advanced designator model). Nevertheless there is still the reality that its a members model and there are cons associated
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This is a beast I have never heard of, an empowered bylaw :-)</div>
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<div>First of all ,let us wait for a clear way forward to be on the Table be fore our next meeting on Wednesday</div>
<div>Secondly, if we clearly distinguish between rights to participate to voting of any or all of the six/seven powers as well as issues relying to IRP FROM issue of empowerment ,requiring membership ( at least one member to have a stand for enforce
certain decisions /conclusion made through voting ,many questions would be narrowed down to fewer numbers .</div>
<div>Pls kindly advise on that<span> </span></div>
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First i like to thank the Co-Chairs for responding to all the questions during the townhall meeting. Milton mentioned 2 things and i like to use that to provide my feedback/suggestions:<br>
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<div>Considering the complications relating to the various membership models that has been suggested, there is obvious need to consider what is achievable within the current structure and i think everything is achievable except enforceability. Puting
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<div>I think these 2 items are critical accountability enhancement and once implemented would have provided ICANN board with some specific guideline on how to approach issues as accordingly.<br>
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<div>So it seem to me that we will already have some enforceability without actually requiring membership since an organisation board is required to obey/comply with its bylaw. So if the bylaw says; before you can do xyz, it needs to go through abc
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<div>As a follow-up to my question about ICANN board complying with its bylaw. I will like to ask the following questions:<br>
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