<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't read Mathieu's suggestion as "stopping" or "avoiding" AoC Reviews. Rather, I think it is a matter of sorting out all that is in front of us as a community, as an organization and as stakeholders. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There are at least two issues at play here:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. <u>Potential "Reviewmageddon"</u>: An avalanche of reviews in 2015-2016. Factoring in AoC reviews, ATRT3 reviews, New gTLD Program reviews and the by-laws based organizational reviews, we have a review calendar that may constitute cruel and unusual punishment. This increases the risk of volunteer burnout, staff burnout, inattention to issues, suboptimal work product, and increased breakdowns outside the Reviewmageddon in a community already taxed by IANA/Accountability (and don't forget Work Stream 2!). It might be fun to put all that on a calendar and see how it looks -- more fun than to try to work through it. Something needs to be done to relieve this situation. Merely pushing the organizational reviews back does not relieve that much of the pressure.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. <u>Interplay between Accountability Work and AoC Reviews</u>: The AoC reviews will be reviewing a moving target, as the work of the CWG and CCWG changes ICANN. The AoC itself may disappear (subsumed in large part into the bylaws) before the AoC reviews are completed. New bylaws, processes and structures will make it difficult to review ICANN in midstream -- are these reviews of ICANN before, during or after IANA/Accountability changes -- or all 3? Of course, this would need to be worked out with NTIA, not declared unilaterally (but I don't think anyone was suggesting that). In any event, we are best placed to consider the interplay between our work and the AoC reviews.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On top of that, I sense and share Mathieu's concern that increased focus on a multiplicity of reviews will drain participants and support from the CCWG-Accountability. While this may seem parochial, it is a well-founded concern, and a chair, Mathieu's job description includes worrying about the CCWG even when the focus of others is elsewhere. I'm sure Mathieu is not being monomaniacal, but it is his job (along with his co-Chairs) to warn us that this is not "business as usual" and that the times call for ample emphasis on and prioritizing of the work of the CCWG-Accountability.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">These are valid concerns. I would support a comment along the lines Mathieu proposes.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Zuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org" target="_blank">JZuck@actonline.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The challenge here is that there are 7 reviews scheduled for next year. The community simply doesn’t have the bandwidth to do them all well. I think I agree with
Avri that we don’t suspend the notion of review because of our work but we DO need to think about volunteer burnout.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Two thoughts on the consequences. First, I find it frustrating that we think of reviews as impetus for implementation. That’s a total waste. We need to figure
out some other mechanism to maintain momentum that isn’t a full blown review. Some kind of IAG or something would be better. The whole point of a review is to see if the changes had the desired outcome, not to simply restate the need for the changes. That’s
like hammering a nail with a bus instead of a hammer. Can’t we find a more precise mechanism for implementation monitoring and pressure?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Second, in my mind, accountability is less about timing than about critical path. In other words, I can see pushing off reviews of the new gTLD program as long
as we push off the start of a new round. Given the supply driven nature of this marketplace, the world can afford a delay and we can get it right instead of rushing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carlos Raul Gutierrez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 29, 2015 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mathieu Weill<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] FYI - Public Comment on AoC and Organizational Reviews<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do you mean by stall? Stoping them? I couldn't agree less. There are still recommendations of ATRT2 that have not been implemented yet. Stopping the AoC would be a very negative message if we are looking for a permanent culture of
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ISOC Costa Rica Chapter<br>
skype carlos.raulg<br>
<a href="tel:%2B506%208837%207176" value="+50688377176" target="_blank">+506 8837 7176</a> (New Phone number!!!!)<br>
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A quick way to contribute to this call for comment would be to to submit a CCWG comment saying : stall the AoC reviews until approval of the new Bylaws which will be related to these reviews.<br>
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Same for organizational reviews to avoid potential conflicting priorities with the SO/AC accountability discussion.<br>
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Icann could, as a consequence, allocate more resources to supporting our work ;-)
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I am conscious this is very last minute, and don't want to rrush any decision. Unless there is clear support or other views getting traction within our group, we will most certainly abstain.
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Supporting ICANN Accountability</span></a> took place this morning at ICANN53. This session covered Reviews defined by the Affirmation of Commitments (AoC) and Organizational Reviews, mandated by ICANN's Bylaws. Topics included: proposed schedule for upcoming
reviews, proposed process and operational improvements to enhance efficiency and effectiveness of reviews, implementation status of recommendations from the Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT2), the Security, Stability & Resiliency of
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Affirmation of Commitments (AoC Reviews) and the ICANN Bylaws (Organizational Reviews). The request for the community is based on both appreciating the community's workload and the timing of several Reviews in FY2016. The public comment on </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/proposed-aoc-org-reviews-process-2015-05-15-en" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">Proposed
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