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<div>I assume one has to be a lawyer to get it. </div>
<div>Says the engineer…</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>dinsdag 7 juli 2015 14:37<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au">ceo@auda.org.au</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Slides CCWG Call #39<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That's fine, but there are 100+ people on this list and I am sure I am not the only person who didn't see the link.
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<div>Malcolm raised a question about the focus of the lawyers' efforts, you responded with a point about intransigence. I agree with both of you, but I don't see how the one causes the other.</div>
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<div>Happy to remain mystified...</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2015 at 00:30, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr">
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<div>On 7 Jul 2015, at 22:30 , Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I don't understand how your comment relates to Malcolm's?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2015 at 00:21, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr">
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<div>I’m afraid I disagree with your interpretation. An intransigent position that does not countenance the possibility of movement away from or towards various solutions is a guarantee of failure when it comes to reaching consensus.<br>
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<div>On 7 Jul 2015, at 22:16 , Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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On 07/07/2015 13:02, Kimberly Carlson wrote:<br>
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On slide 2, "Overview", it says<br>
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"The two new models seek to address concerns expressed by members of the<br>
multi-stakeholder community on the Community Empowerment Mechanism<br>
described in Section 5 of CCWG’s Accountability Initial Draft Proposal<br>
for Public Comment (4 May 2015) (“Initial Proposal”)"<br>
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I'm afraid that this suggests that once again the lawyers have been<br>
asked to examine the wrong question.<br>
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The issue we must consider is not merely which of these two models will<br>
best deliver on Section 5 of the CCWG's proposal, the community powers,<br>
but which will best deliver *all* of it.<br>
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Section 3 ("Principles") and Section 4 ("Appeals Mechanisms") are<br>
essential elements of the CCWG proposal. So the lawyer's ought to have<br>
been asked to consider how the two models differ in their effects on<br>
those two sections too.<br>
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As it happens, there is a passing mention of disparate effect: on slide<br>
16 "Empowered SO/AC Designator Model" under "Problems/Complications" it<br>
states "SOs and ACs would not have the reserved powers of members to<br>
reverse board decisions like [...] implementing IRP recommendations."<br>
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However this crucial distinction has been given very little visibility<br>
of emphasis, I think as a result of concentrating only on Section 5, to<br>
the exclusion of Sections 3 & 4.<br>
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