<div dir="ltr">That's fine, but there are 100+ people on this list and I am sure I am not the only person who didn't see the link.<div><br></div><div>Malcolm raised a question about the focus of the lawyers' efforts, you responded with a point about intransigence. I agree with both of you, but I don't see how the one causes the other.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy to remain mystified...</div><div><br></div><div>J</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2015 at 00:30, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-family:'Verdana';font-size:13px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Malcolm appear to.<br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7 Jul 2015, at 22:30 , Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">hi Chris<div><br></div><div>I don't understand how your comment relates to Malcolm's?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2015 at 00:21, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-family:'Verdana';font-size:13px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Hello Malcolm,<div><br></div><div>I’m afraid I disagree with your interpretation. An intransigent position that does not countenance the possibility of movement away from or towards various solutions is a guarantee of failure when it comes to reaching consensus.<br><div><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Cheers,</p><p><br></p><p>Chris</p>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7 Jul 2015, at 22:16 , Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><br>On 07/07/2015 13:02, Kimberly Carlson wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Here are today’s slides in both PowerPoint and PDF formats.<br></blockquote><br>On slide 2, "Overview", it says<br><br>"The two new models seek to address concerns expressed by members of the<br>multi-stakeholder community on the Community Empowerment Mechanism<br>described in Section 5 of CCWG’s Accountability Initial Draft Proposal<br>for Public Comment (4 May 2015) (“Initial Proposal”)"<br><br><br>I'm afraid that this suggests that once again the lawyers have been<br>asked to examine the wrong question.<br><br><br>The issue we must consider is not merely which of these two models will<br>best deliver on Section 5 of the CCWG's proposal, the community powers,<br>but which will best deliver *all* of it.<br><br>Section 3 ("Principles") and Section 4 ("Appeals Mechanisms") are<br>essential elements of the CCWG proposal. So the lawyer's ought to have<br>been asked to consider how the two models differ in their effects on<br>those two sections too.<br><br>As it happens, there is a passing mention of disparate effect: on slide<br>16 "Empowered SO/AC Designator Model" under "Problems/Complications" it<br>states "SOs and ACs would not have the reserved powers of members to<br>reverse board decisions like [...] implementing IRP recommendations."<br><br>However this crucial distinction has been given very little visibility<br>of emphasis, I think as a result of concentrating only on Section 5, to<br>the exclusion of Sections 3 & 4.<br><br><br>-- <br> Malcolm Hutty | tel: <a href="tel:%2B44%2020%207645%203523" value="+442076453523" target="_blank">+44 20 7645 3523</a><br> Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog<br> London Internet Exchange | <a href="http://publicaffairs.linx.net/" target="_blank">http://publicaffairs.linx.net/</a><br><br> London Internet Exchange Ltd<br> 21-27 St Thomas Street, London SE1 9RY<br><br> Company Registered in England No. 3137929<br> Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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