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<div>In California the unincorporated association form provides protection to participants from liability. There is a legal memo from pre- Buenos Aires that addresses. <br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Nigel Roberts<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 09, 2015 08:40:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] member organization and single membership structure<br>
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<div class="PlainText">Greg, all<br>
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I have a deadly serious question.<br>
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Why would any Member of an SO voluntarily submit to the danger of <br>
unlimited monetary liability?<br>
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So why is anyone even considering UA status for more than 10 seconds?<br>
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Nigel<br>
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See <br>
<a href="http://www.scvo.org.uk/setting-up-a-charity/decide-on-a-structure/voluntary-or-unincorporated-association/">http://www.scvo.org.uk/setting-up-a-charity/decide-on-a-structure/voluntary-or-unincorporated-association/</a><br>
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On 09/07/15 14:35, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<br>
> <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Seun,<br>
><br>
> Can you point where this understanding and learning comes from? I<br>
> don't think any of this is correct, unless you are referring to a<br>
> "council" where each SO/AC is a statutory member of the corporation.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yes indeed thats what i was referring to<br>
><br>
> This is not the case in the "single member model," where there is<br>
> only one statutory member.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Okay thanks for clarifying that for me. So if i get this correctly; does<br>
> it mean one of the SO/AC will be a member and then every other SO and AC<br>
> exercise their powers through that single member?. Specifically which of<br>
> the SO/AC will be member in the single member model?<br>
><br>
> However if one of the SO/AC won't have to become a member but the entire<br>
> council becoming a UA to fulfill membership requirement, how will that<br>
> address some SO/AC not wanting to enter into such legal formality? also<br>
> how will accountability of the council be ensured as it could then mean<br>
> creating a mini-ICANN board as the council members would have the voting<br>
> rights, independence et all. Perhaps the council can be limited by its<br>
> governing document, but how will removing council members for instance<br>
> be in effect if the populating source(SO/AC) is not a UA.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps its not as complicated as i am imagining it so it will be good<br>
> to hear some clarifications.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
> Greg<br>
><br>
> On Thursday, July 9, 2015, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<br>
> <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I understand the powers would be bestowed on the council<br>
> individuals and not their source position;<br>
><br>
> For instance one of the option is to populate the community<br>
> council with leaders of SO/AC, which IMO would be the cheapest<br>
> route in this model so they would be occupying a virtual seat<br>
> and exercise those powers when required. It would also allow the<br>
> various SO/AC internet accountability mechanisms apply to<br>
> council including removal of members.<br>
><br>
> However, I then learnt that the council cannot be formed by<br>
> SO/AC leader positions but rather to the occupants of that<br>
> position. This would mean having to rewrite the bylaw/document<br>
> forming the council often since leaders of those positions are<br>
> dynamic and could change at anytime. Will be good to know if<br>
> that is no longer the case<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Sent from Google nexus 4<br>
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
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> On 7 Jul 2015 2:56 pm, "Roelof Meijer" <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Interesting, we’re back on the subject of a single member<br>
> structure. It was written off before<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Roelof<br>
><br>
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on<br>
> behalf of Roelof Meijer <roelof.meijer@sidn.nl><br>
> Date: woensdag 22 april 2015 15:56<br>
> To: "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>,<br>
> "accountability-cross-community@icann.org"<br>
> <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] member organization and single<br>
> membership structure<br>
><br>
> Hi Avri,<br>
><br>
> The sole membership construction, is a possibility described<br>
> in the legal document in several places: the comments by the<br>
> legal experts on the PCCWG mechanism template (page 64) and<br>
> the Community Council mechanism template (page 69). I<br>
> sent several emails about it to the WP1 list, suggesting to<br>
> look in the possibility as indeed it would not necessitate<br>
> every SO and AC to become a legal entity. And, as you do,<br>
> suggesting: "make the „Community Council” the sole member of<br>
> ICANN (and thus a formal legal entity), consisting of either<br>
> the SO and AC chairs or SO/AC elected representatives” (from<br>
> an email of 14 April).<br>
><br>
> And I would think it would enable the SO’s and AC’s<br>
> themselves to continue appointing directors, as they do now.<br>
> But that’s just guessing, based on the fact that the SO’s<br>
> and AC’s themselves would not change status<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Roelof<br>
><br>
> From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org><br>
> Organization: Technicalities<br>
> Reply-To: "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org><br>
> Date: woensdag 22 april 2015 15:09<br>
> To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org"<br>
> <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] member organization and single<br>
> membership structure<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> On 22-Apr-15 08:26, Roelof Meijer wrote:<br>
>> 2)<br>
>> What I find quite frustrating is that I have raised the<br>
>> point of the possibility (or not) of a single membership<br>
>> structure – an option mentioned by Sidley and Adler &<br>
>> Colving in their legal advice – several times by now<br>
>> without getting any substantial reaction. I am not aware<br>
>> that any serious effort to investigate this has led to a<br>
>> formal write-off.<br>
><br>
> In some way that might lessen the complexity of making most<br>
> SOAC an individual legal entity.<br>
><br>
> How would it work? Would we continue to appoint Directors<br>
> just as we do now?<br>
><br>
> Or would there need to be some sort of Members Council that<br>
> took actions, working simliarly to the the executive board<br>
> or community council idea?<br>
><br>
> thanks<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
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