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    Absolutely.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/24/2015 1:24 PM, Gomes, Chuck
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">However
            it is handled, I’d like to think that we can all agree that
            any veto of the ICANN budget should definitely not have any
            negative impact on sufficient ongoing funding of PTI/IANA. 
            I think that this is the key point I take from Martin’s
            message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 6:51 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Martin Boyle; Jordan Carter; lisefuhrforwader<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Accountability
                Cross Community<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Meeting CWG
                requirements for IANA Budget - pls comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My
            thinking in Paris and the debate that I had with Bruce
            Tonkin on the IANA budget was largely consistent with
            Martins email below so I would support this position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">-James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Boyle<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 11:10 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Jordan Carter; lisefuhrforwader<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>;
                Accountability Cross Community<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Meeting CWG
                requirements for IANA Budget - pls comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Thanks Jordan:  I found your interpretation
            quite challenging and so it has forced me to think a bit
            more carefully about the way budget vetoes might work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">My main difficulty is – as I said in my
            previous mail – that a non-IANA functions operation issue
            should not affect the IANA functions operator’s budget.  In
            other words, this part of the ICANN budget needs to be
            ring-fenced.  There is also the subsidiary problem of a
            planned investment in the IANA functions operation being
            stopped or slowed because of a squabble about ICANN’s
            overall finances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Thinking through what I take from your mail,
            avoiding granularity in veto powers is quite important and
            I’d agree with that:  it would be an open door to using
            community budget vetoes for very specific budget lines
            (although I could imagine that that is always going to be a
            danger in this sort of power).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Essentially, for me there are two separate
            lines:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">1.</span><span
            style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">      
          </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">The IANA budget line – essentially funding that
            goes from ICANN to the IANA functions operator (the PTI
            subsidiary in the first case, but it might be to an
            independent contractor in due course, should there be full
            separation at some stage).  There is an
            <i>obligation</i> on ICANN to fund this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">2.</span><span
            style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">      
          </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">The general ICANN budget minus the ring-fenced
            IANA budget line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">In this, I for one would certainly not welcome
            anything that allowed a problem in 2. to freeze the IANA
            budget.  Whether an issue in 1. led to a more general veto
            for 1. &amp; 2. concerns me less, although I would not
            really like to see horse-trading of the IANA budget with
            spend elsewhere in the ICANN budget – hence my preference
            would be strongly for the
            <b>alternative proposal</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">If we were to think of the IANA functions
            operation budget in terms of the operator, we have:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">a.</span><span
            style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">      
          </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">The PTI budget.  Could scrutiny and veto by the
            operational communities be at this level?  Either way
            (whether direct with the PTI or with ICANN), there needs to
            be some mechanism to challenge this budget.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">b.</span><span
            style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">     
          </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">ICANN is obliged (in its bylaws?) to fully fund
            the agreed PTI budget.  If it fails to do so, the full
            budget could be subject to veto to ensure that it includes
            the proper funding of PTI <i>and only for this purpose</i>. 
            (That might, of course, require increased revenue
            requirements from gTLD domain name sales and from ccTLD
            voluntary contributions, justified by the proposed increase
            in the PTI budget.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">c.</span><span
            style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">      
          </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">A veto for any other issues on ICANN budget
            would then impact only those parts of the ICANN budget
            outside the PTI budget line.  (This might be about reducing
            spend elsewhere in the ICANN budget so that the obligation
            to fund the PTI did not lead to increasing the levy on gTLD
            sales or the amount of voluntary contributions.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">I
            <i>think</i> the alternative allows this <i>without</i>
            requiring a separate level of veto (on the PTI as at a.
            above, although I would hope that a sensible PTI would
            discuss its funding requirements with the OCs as part of its
            normal budgeting cycle!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Hope this helps and that I have interpreted
            your discussion points correctly, Jordan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
              Jordan Carter [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>]
              <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 24 July 2015 05:10<br>
              <b>To:</b> lisefuhrforwader<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Martin Boyle; Gomes, Chuck; <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></a>; Grace Abuhamad; Marika
              Konings; Jonathan Robinson; Accountability Cross Community<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Meeting CWG
              requirements for IANA Budget - pls comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Jonathan and Lise,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
                Thank you for this email. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">From it, I
                understand the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">a) both the IANA and
                ICANN Budgets need to be subject to the community veto
                procedure we have in place. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">b) for reasons of
                simplicity and following Martin's feedback, we will set
                identical veto thresholds for both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">c) the participants
                in decision making will be those SOs and ACs that
                participate in the Community Mechanism as Single Member
                - there will be no customisation of the decision-making
                process for the IANA Budget.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">d) where a veto is
                in progress, and a new financial year begins, a copy of
                the previous year's budget forms the continuing budget.
                That is, activity and operations don't stop - resources
                are still available. It is proposed new projects/funding
                or cuts to budgets that won't occur in such a situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">e) in this part of
                the bylaws (or somewhere else relevant), we will have a
                reference to the CWG-Stewardship's requirement for
                adequate granular transparency for the IANA budget. (I
                think this belongs somewhere outside of this, but we
                will note it.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">f) you do not see a
                need to allow for a veto process that
                <b>only </b>allows the community to veto the Board's
                proposed IANA Budget - you are happy for it to be
                included in the ICANN Budget for veto purposes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">Please note: </span></b><span
                lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">The alternative
                  proposal compared with f) is to separate the two
                  vetoes - one for the ICANN Budget excluding the IANA
                  budget, and one for the IANA Budget.</span></b><span
                lang="EN-GB"> I want to be clear that my understanding
                from your email is that this is <b>NOT</b> what the
                CWG-Stewardship requires.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">In such an
                alternate, if there was a general ICANN Budget dispute
                that led to a veto, this would have absolutely no impact
                on the new IANA Budget for the coming year. Likewise in
                reverse: if there was an issue with the IANA Budget, it
                would have no impact on the general ICANN Budget.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I can see advantages
                and disadvantages to either approach. As I have said, my
                understanding from your note is that you prefer f) as
                drafted, not the alternative proposal of a separate
                veto.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">I would be
                  grateful if you could advise the consequences if
                  WP1/CCWG does decide to allow for a separate IANA
                  Budget veto. </span></b><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">Would that still
                  meet the CWG's requirements, or not?</span></b><span
                lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">WP1 of the
                CCWG-Accountability will be discussing this on Tuesday
                19h UTC, and it would be good to know whether we have a
                decision to make on this question or whether your
                requirement for one or the other takes this decision out
                of our hands.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Finally, I should
                also note for completeness that whatever protocols are
                in place for the ICANN Board to make emergency funding
                allocations outside the Budget cycle are not affected by
                this community power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thank you, and sorry
                for not setting this out more clearly in my previous
                note.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jordan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 23 July 2015 at
                  19:48, Lise Fuhr &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk" target="_blank">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">Hi Jordan,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">Thank you for your work on the
                      budget, which is one of our requirements to the
                      CCWG.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">It seems that the important issue is
                      to have enough detail on the budget in order to
                      follow and ensure that the IANA function is
                      sufficient funded in order to fulfil its function.
                      But is also seems that the IANA functions is
                      dependent on the ICANN budget and that makes too
                      much separation of the budget more complex. The
                      budget bylaws and related processes should ensure
                      to include both IANA and ICANN since it seems that
                      the two are interdependent on each other. Not that
                      they can't be separate but both issues – but the
                      ICANN budget and the IANA budget need to be a
                      package to be taken care of in WS1.</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">Best regards,</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">Jonathan and Lise</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="EN-GB">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                          lang="EN-GB">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                          <b>På vegne af </b>Martin Boyle<br>
                          <b>Sendt:</b> 22. juli 2015 17:34<br>
                          <b>Til:</b> Gomes, Chuck; Jordan Carter; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></a><br>
                          <b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd:
                          Meeting CWG requirements for IANA Budget - pls
                          comment</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                      lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">I think I am generally in line with
                      Chuck on this one.  I would certainly be averse to
                      any solution that could leave PTI starved of cash
                      because of unrelated issues within ICANN.  That
                      does not mean that the IANA budget in ICANN needs
                      to be a separate budget – the money for the IANA
                      functions operation goes into ICANN from registrar
                      sales of gTLD domain names (if I understand
                      correctly) and from voluntary contributions from
                      ccTLDs.  So long as there is transparency on how
                      much this is (ie it is clearly identified as a
                      separate line in the ICANN budget), that would be
                      fine by me.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">However, I do not understand why
                      there would be a lower threshold for challenging
                      the budget than for the ICANN budget overall.  Why
                      should there be?  Given the critical nature of the
                      IANA functions operation I would actually see a
                      higher threshold as more logical.  In any case,
                      maintaining funding levels would be important and
                      I would see the need for investment as
                      justification for allowing an increase.  Is this
                      perhaps a decision for the direct customers (who
                      are also those who pay the costs of the IANA
                      functions operation)?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">Martin</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                          [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck</span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> 21 July 2015 01:09<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Jordan Carter; <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                                target="_blank">
                                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd:
                              Meeting CWG requirements for IANA Budget -
                              pls comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                          lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My
                          personal thoughts are inserted below.</span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                          [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 7:18 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Meeting
                          CWG requirements for IANA Budget - pls comment</span><span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">All
                        - views from CWG participants on the below would
                        be useful / helpful.... <span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best<span
                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jordan <br>
                          <br>
                          ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
                          From: <b>Jordan Carter</b> &lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a></a>&gt;<br>
                          Date: Sunday, 19 July 2015<br>
                          Subject: Meeting CWG requirements for IANA
                          Budget - pls comment<br>
                          To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><span
                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
                            all<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As
                              noted, Lise and I have had a chat about
                              the CWG’s requirements for the IANA
                              Budget. There has to be provision as a
                              fundamental bylaw and we need to be clear
                              and constructive in how we provide
                              appropriate<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                                CWG’s purpose as I understand it, is
                                that through this power the community
                                has the chance to protect IANA's funding
                                at an adequate level so that it can do
                                its job.<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In
                                our discussion we sketched out the
                                following thoughts:<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <ul type="disc">
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  The IANA Budget (the PTI Budget) would
                                  be a separate Budget from the ICANN
                                  budget.<b><i><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                        Gomes]
                                      </span></i></b><span
                                    style="color:#1F497D"> I don’t think
                                    it would be a problem if the IANA
                                    budget was a subset of the ICANN
                                    budget provided that all of the IANA
                                    costs are included and detailed in
                                    the IANA budget.</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  The same community veto power would be
                                  available for the IANA Budget as for
                                  the ICANN budget.<b><i><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                        Gomes]
                                      </span></i></b><span
                                    style="color:#1F497D"> I think this
                                    is correct. If any compromise is
                                    made on this area in the CCWG, I
                                    think it would make sense for the
                                    veto power to at least apply to the
                                    IANA Budget.</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  The threshold for a veto of the IANA
                                  Budget could be lower than is proposed
                                  for the ICANN budget, due to its
                                  greater sensitivity.<b><i><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                        Gomes]
                                      </span></i></b><span
                                    style="color:#1F497D"> I think we
                                    should discuss this further.  A low
                                    threshold might make it too easy to
                                    delay IANA funding and could risk
                                    the stability of the services. 
                                    Lowering the threshold would need to
                                    be accompanied by some other
                                    requirements that would ensure
                                    sufficient ongoing funding so that
                                    services are not degraded and
                                    security is maintained.</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  If an IANA Budget was vetoed, because
                                  of the requirement for earlier
                                  Budgeting, the issue would likely be
                                  resolved before the start of the
                                  relevant financial year.<b><i><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                        Gomes]
                                      </span></i></b><span
                                    style="color:#1F497D"> I don’t think
                                    this is a true statement.  The
                                    process has been improved greatly so
                                    that community input is received
                                    early enough to result in possible
                                    changes to the draft budget before
                                    the Board acts on it.  But the Board
                                    still doesn’t act on it until late
                                    June, just before the new fiscal
                                    year starts.  I assume the veto
                                    wouldn’t occur until after Board
                                    action so that would only leave a
                                    few days for resolution.  Also, I
                                    suspect that it would take some time
                                    for the veto process to take place.</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  The caretaker proposal for the IANA
                                  Budget would be that if there had been
                                  a community veto and it carried into
                                  the new financial year, funding would
                                  continue at the same level.<b><i><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                        Gomes]
                                      </span></i></b><span
                                    style="color:#1F497D"> This would be
                                    a step in the right direction but
                                    what if a critical improvement
                                    project needed new funding?</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                              </ul>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Now:
                                  this all looks very similar to what
                                  would happen to the ICANN budget. So
                                  the only critical design question is
                                  whether it is a part of the ICANN
                                  budget or whether it is separate. <span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                  think separate makes sense. There will
                                  have to be a separate budget
                                  identified anyway, so this precursors
                                  future improvements to the IANA Budget
                                  review mentioned by the CWG. <span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thoughts
                                on the general approach? The separate
                                IANA Budget? A different threshold?<span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">cheers<span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jordan<span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                  lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.75in">1.<span
                                  style="font-size:7.0pt">              </span><b>ICANN
                                  Budget and IANA Budget. </b>The
                                ability for the community to approve or
                                veto the ICANN budget after it has been
                                approved by the ICANN Board but before
                                it comes into effect. The community may
                                reject the ICANN Budget based on
                                perceived inconsistency with the
                                purpose, mission and role set forth in
                                ICANN’s Articles and Bylaws, the global
                                public interest, the needs of ICANN
                                stakeholders, financial stability or
                                other matters of concern to the
                                community. The CWG-Stewardship
                                recommends that the IFO’s comprehensive
                                costs should be transparent and ICANN’s
                                operating plans and budget should
                                include itemization of all IANA
                                operations costs to the project level
                                and below as needed. An itemization of
                                IANA costs would include “Direct Costs
                                for the IANA department”, “Direct Costs
                                for Shared resources” and “Support
                                functions allocation”. Furthermore,
                                these costs should be itemized into more
                                specific costs related to each specific
                                function to the project level and below
                                as needed. PTI should also have a yearly
                                budget that is reviewed and approved by
                                the ICANN community on an annual basis.
                                PTI should submit a budget to ICANN at
                                least nine months in advance of the
                                fiscal year to ensure the stability of
                                the IANA services. It is the view of the
                                CWG-Stewardship that the IANA budget
                                should be approved by the ICANN Board in
                                a much earlier timeframe than the
                                overall ICANN budget. The CWG (or a
                                successor implementation group) will
                                need to develop a proposed process for
                                the IANA-specific budget review, which
                                may become a component of the overall
                                budget review.<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222;background:white">-- </span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222">Jordan
                                      Carter<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Chief Executive <br>
                                      <b>InternetNZ</b><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="tel:04%20495%202118"
                                        target="_blank">04 495 2118</a>
                                      (office) | <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="tel:%2B64%2021%20442%20649"
                                        target="_blank">
                                        +64 21 442 649</a> (mob)<br>
                                    </span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1155CC"><a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a></a></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222"> <br>
                                      Skype: jordancarter<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <i>To promote the Internet's
                                        benefits and uses, and protect
                                        its potential.</i></span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                                lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span
                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <br>
                        -- <br>
                        Jordan Carter<br>
                        Chief Executive, InternetNZ<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" target="_blank">+64-21-442-649</a>
                        | <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
                          target="_blank">
                          jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p>Sent on the run, apologies for brevity<span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
                <br clear="all">
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jordan
                              Carter<br>
                              <br>
                              Chief Executive <br>
                              <b>InternetNZ</b><br>
                              <br>
                              +64-495-2118 (office) | +64-21-442-649
                              (mob)<br>
                              Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
                                target="_blank"><span
                                  style="color:#1155CC">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a> <br>
                              Skype: jordancarter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
                              <i>A better world through a better
                                Internet </i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Matthew Shears
Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
Center for Democracy &amp; Technology (CDT)
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