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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/07/2015 12:09, Martin Boyle
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks
            Jordan:  I found your interpretation quite challenging and
            so it has forced me to think a bit more carefully about the
            way budget vetoes might work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My
            main difficulty is – as I said in my previous mail – that a
            non-IANA functions operation issue should not affect the
            IANA functions operator’s budget.  In other words, this part
            of the ICANN budget needs to be ring-fenced.  There is also
            the subsidiary problem of a planned investment in the IANA
            functions operation being stopped or slowed because of a
            squabble about ICANN’s overall finances.</span></p>
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    <br>
    My point of view is fully aligned with this.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thinking
            through what I take from your mail, avoiding granularity in
            veto powers is quite important and I’d agree with that:  it
            would be an open door to using community budget vetoes for
            very specific budget lines (although I could imagine that
            that is always going to be a danger in this sort of power).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Essentially,
            for me there are two separate lines:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
                &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">      
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The
            IANA budget line – essentially funding that goes from ICANN
            to the IANA functions operator (the PTI subsidiary in the
            first case, but it might be to an independent contractor in
            due course, should there be full separation at some stage). 
            There is an
            <i>obligation</i> on ICANN to fund this.</span></p>
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    <br>
    CWG IANA's DT-O dealing with IANA/PTI Funding looked at ways to have
    a very stable and predictable IANA/PTI budget. Some of us advocated
    to have 2 years' worth of IANA budget funding ready, of which one
    would be held in Escrow. This points to having a year on year IANA
    budget that does not change dramatically. I remind everyone that the
    primary concern for IANA is to ensure stable operations, year on
    year. Having the ability to veto the IANA budget, for whatever
    reason, without provisions that if the budget was vetoed and a delay
    would lead to passing the Fiscal Year Deadline, the IANA operations
    would still be funded, introduces instability. Indeed, why would any
    Community want to veto the IANA Budget?<br>
    <br>
    I do not know why the concept of a year of IANA budget being fenced
    for 2 years, including 1 year in Escrow, was not carried over by
    DT-O.<br>
    <br>
    I agree with the rest of Martin's message.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:4ED5D5CBDF5F3E499DB990B095F010FE81AD1B2C@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
                &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">      
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The
            general ICANN budget minus the ring-fenced IANA budget line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">In
            this, I for one would certainly not welcome anything that
            allowed a problem in 2. to freeze the IANA budget.  Whether
            an issue in 1. led to a more general veto for 1. &amp; 2.
            concerns me less, although I would not really like to see
            horse-trading of the IANA budget with spend elsewhere in the
            ICANN budget – hence my preference would be strongly for the
            <b>alternative proposal</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If
            we were to think of the IANA functions operation budget in
            terms of the operator, we have:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt
                &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">      
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The
            PTI budget.  Could scrutiny and veto by the operational
            communities be at this level?  Either way (whether direct
            with the PTI or with ICANN), there needs to be some
            mechanism to challenge this budget.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt
                &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">     
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">ICANN
            is obliged (in its bylaws?) to fully fund the agreed PTI
            budget.  If it fails to do so, the full budget could be
            subject to veto to ensure that it includes the proper
            funding of PTI <i>and only for this purpose</i>.  (That
            might, of course, require increased revenue requirements
            from gTLD domain name sales and from ccTLD voluntary
            contributions, justified by the proposed increase in the PTI
            budget.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span style="font:7.0pt
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">A
            veto for any other issues on ICANN budget would then impact
            only those parts of the ICANN budget outside the PTI budget
            line.  (This might be about reducing spend elsewhere in the
            ICANN budget so that the obligation to fund the PTI did not
            lead to increasing the levy on gTLD sales or the amount of
            voluntary contributions.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I
            <i>think</i> the alternative allows this <i>without</i>
            requiring a separate level of veto (on the PTI as at a.
            above, although I would hope that a sensible PTI would
            discuss its funding requirements with the OCs as part of its
            normal budgeting cycle!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hope
            this helps and that I have interpreted your discussion
            points correctly, Jordan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
              lang="EN-US"> Jordan Carter
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>]
              <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 24 July 2015 05:10<br>
              <b>To:</b> lisefuhrforwader<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Martin Boyle; Gomes, Chuck;
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Grace Abuhamad; Marika Konings;
              Jonathan Robinson; Accountability Cross Community<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Meeting CWG
              requirements for IANA Budget - pls comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jonathan and Lise,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              Thank you for this email. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">From it, I understand the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">a) both the IANA and ICANN Budgets need
              to be subject to the community veto procedure we have in
              place. <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">b) for reasons of simplicity and
              following Martin's feedback, we will set identical veto
              thresholds for both.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">c) the participants in decision making
              will be those SOs and ACs that participate in the
              Community Mechanism as Single Member - there will be no
              customisation of the decision-making process for the IANA
              Budget.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">d) where a veto is in progress, and a
              new financial year begins, a copy of the previous year's
              budget forms the continuing budget. That is, activity and
              operations don't stop - resources are still available. It
              is proposed new projects/funding or cuts to budgets that
              won't occur in such a situation.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">e) in this part of the bylaws (or
              somewhere else relevant), we will have a reference to the
              CWG-Stewardship's requirement for adequate granular
              transparency for the IANA budget. (I think this belongs
              somewhere outside of this, but we will note it.)<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">f) you do not see a need to allow for a
              veto process that <b>
                only </b>allows the community to veto the Board's
              proposed IANA Budget - you are happy for it to be included
              in the ICANN Budget for veto purposes. <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Please note: </b><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>The alternative
                proposal compared with f) is to separate the two vetoes
                - one for the ICANN Budget excluding the IANA budget,
                and one for the IANA Budget.</b> I want to be clear that
              my understanding from your email is that this is
              <b>NOT</b> what the CWG-Stewardship requires.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">In such an alternate, if there was a
              general ICANN Budget dispute that led to a veto, this
              would have absolutely no impact on the new IANA Budget for
              the coming year. Likewise in reverse: if there was an
              issue with the IANA Budget, it would have no impact on the
              general ICANN Budget.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I can see advantages and disadvantages
              to either approach. As I have said, my understanding from
              your note is that you prefer f) as drafted, not the
              alternative proposal of a separate veto.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>I would be grateful if you could
                advise the consequences if WP1/CCWG does decide to allow
                for a separate IANA Budget veto. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Would that still meet the CWG's
                requirements, or not?</b><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">WP1 of the CCWG-Accountability will be
              discussing this on Tuesday 19h UTC, and it would be good
              to know whether we have a decision to make on this
              question or whether your requirement for one or the other
              takes this decision out of our hands.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Finally, I should also note for
              completeness that whatever protocols are in place for the
              ICANN Board to make emergency funding allocations outside
              the Budget cycle are not affected by this community power.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, and sorry for not setting
              this out more clearly in my previous note.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">best<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Jordan<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On 23 July 2015 at 19:48, Lise Fuhr
                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk" target="_blank">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi
                      Jordan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thank
                      you for your work on the budget, which is one of
                      our requirements to the CCWG.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It
                      seems that the important issue is to have enough
                      detail on the budget in order to follow and ensure
                      that the IANA function is sufficient funded in
                      order to fulfil its function. But is also seems
                      that the IANA functions is dependent on the ICANN
                      budget and that makes too much separation of the
                      budget more complex. The budget bylaws and related
                      processes should ensure to include both IANA and
                      ICANN since it seems that the two are
                      interdependent on each other. Not that they can't
                      be separate but both issues – but the ICANN budget
                      and the IANA budget need to be a package to be
                      taken care of in WS1.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best
                      regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Jonathan
                      and Lise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                          <b>På vegne af </b>Martin Boyle<br>
                          <b>Sendt:</b> 22. juli 2015 17:34<br>
                          <b>Til:</b> Gomes, Chuck; Jordan Carter; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></a><br>
                          <b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd:
                          Meeting CWG requirements for IANA Budget - pls
                          comment</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I
                      think I am generally in line with Chuck on this
                      one.  I would certainly be averse to any solution
                      that could leave PTI starved of cash because of
                      unrelated issues within ICANN.  That does not mean
                      that the IANA budget in ICANN needs to be a
                      separate budget – the money for the IANA functions
                      operation goes into ICANN from registrar sales of
                      gTLD domain names (if I understand correctly) and
                      from voluntary contributions from ccTLDs.  So long
                      as there is transparency on how much this is (ie
                      it is clearly identified as a separate line in the
                      ICANN budget), that would be fine by me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">However,
                      I do not understand why there would be a lower
                      threshold for challenging the budget than for the
                      ICANN budget overall.  Why should there be?  Given
                      the critical nature of the IANA functions
                      operation I would actually see a higher threshold
                      as more logical.  In any case, maintaining funding
                      levels would be important and I would see the need
                      for investment as justification for allowing an
                      increase.  Is this perhaps a decision for the
                      direct customers (who are also those who pay the
                      costs of the IANA functions operation)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Martin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                          lang="EN-US">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                          [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> 21 July 2015 01:09<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Jordan Carter; <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                              target="_blank">
                              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd:
                            Meeting CWG requirements for IANA Budget -
                            pls comment<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US">My personal thoughts are inserted
                          below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                          lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                          lang="EN-US">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
                          [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2015 7:18 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
                            target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Meeting
                          CWG requirements for IANA Budget - pls comment</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                          lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                          lang="EN-US">All - views from CWG participants
                          on the below would be useful / helpful.... </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-US">Best</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                            lang="EN-US">Jordan <br>
                            <br>
                            ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
                            From: <b>Jordan Carter</b> &lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a></a>&gt;<br>
                            Date: Sunday, 19 July 2015<br>
                            Subject: Meeting CWG requirements for IANA
                            Budget - pls comment<br>
                            To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
                              target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              lang="EN-US">Hi all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">As noted, Lise and I have
                                had a chat about the CWG’s requirements
                                for the IANA Budget. There has to be
                                provision as a fundamental bylaw and we
                                need to be clear and constructive in how
                                we provide appropriate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">The CWG’s purpose as I
                                  understand it, is that through this
                                  power the community has the chance to
                                  protect IANA's funding at an adequate
                                  level so that it can do its job.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">In our discussion we
                                  sketched out the following thoughts:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <ul type="disc">
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  <span lang="EN-US">The IANA Budget
                                    (the PTI Budget) would be a separate
                                    Budget from the ICANN budget.<b><i><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                          Gomes]
                                        </span></i></b><span
                                      style="color:#1F497D"> I don’t
                                      think it would be a problem if the
                                      IANA budget was a subset of the
                                      ICANN budget provided that all of
                                      the IANA costs are included and
                                      detailed in the IANA budget.</span></span><o:p></o:p></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  <span lang="EN-US">The same community
                                    veto power would be available for
                                    the IANA Budget as for the ICANN
                                    budget.<b><i><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                          Gomes]
                                        </span></i></b><span
                                      style="color:#1F497D"> I think
                                      this is correct. If any compromise
                                      is made on this area in the CCWG,
                                      I think it would make sense for
                                      the veto power to at least apply
                                      to the IANA Budget.</span></span><o:p></o:p></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  <span lang="EN-US">The threshold for a
                                    veto of the IANA Budget could be
                                    lower than is proposed for the ICANN
                                    budget, due to its greater
                                    sensitivity.<b><i><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                          Gomes]
                                        </span></i></b><span
                                      style="color:#1F497D"> I think we
                                      should discuss this further.  A
                                      low threshold might make it too
                                      easy to delay IANA funding and
                                      could risk the stability of the
                                      services.  Lowering the threshold
                                      would need to be accompanied by
                                      some other requirements that would
                                      ensure sufficient ongoing funding
                                      so that services are not degraded
                                      and security is maintained.</span></span><o:p></o:p></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  <span lang="EN-US">If an IANA Budget
                                    was vetoed, because of the
                                    requirement for earlier Budgeting,
                                    the issue would likely be resolved
                                    before the start of the relevant
                                    financial year.<b><i><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                          Gomes]
                                        </span></i></b><span
                                      style="color:#1F497D"> I don’t
                                      think this is a true statement. 
                                      The process has been improved
                                      greatly so that community input is
                                      received early enough to result in
                                      possible changes to the draft
                                      budget before the Board acts on
                                      it.  But the Board still doesn’t
                                      act on it until late June, just
                                      before the new fiscal year
                                      starts.  I assume the veto
                                      wouldn’t occur until after Board
                                      action so that would only leave a
                                      few days for resolution.  Also, I
                                      suspect that it would take some
                                      time for the veto process to take
                                      place.</span></span><o:p></o:p></li>
                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                                  level1 lfo1">
                                  <span lang="EN-US">The caretaker
                                    proposal for the IANA Budget would
                                    be that if there had been a
                                    community veto and it carried into
                                    the new financial year, funding
                                    would continue at the same level.<b><i><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck
                                          Gomes]
                                        </span></i></b><span
                                      style="color:#1F497D"> This would
                                      be a step in the right direction
                                      but what if a critical improvement
                                      project needed new funding?</span></span><o:p></o:p></li>
                              </ul>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Now: this all looks
                                    very similar to what would happen to
                                    the ICANN budget. So the only
                                    critical design question is whether
                                    it is a part of the ICANN budget or
                                    whether it is separate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-US">I think separate makes
                                    sense. There will have to be a
                                    separate budget identified anyway,
                                    so this precursors future
                                    improvements to the IANA Budget
                                    review mentioned by the CWG. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">Thoughts on the general
                                  approach? The separate IANA Budget? A
                                  different threshold?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">Jordan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:54.0pt"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">1.</span><span
                                  style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">              </span><b><span
                                    lang="EN-US">ICANN Budget and IANA
                                    Budget. </span></b><span
                                  lang="EN-US">The ability for the
                                  community to approve or veto the ICANN
                                  budget after it has been approved by
                                  the ICANN Board but before it comes
                                  into effect. The community may reject
                                  the ICANN Budget based on perceived
                                  inconsistency with the purpose,
                                  mission and role set forth in ICANN’s
                                  Articles and Bylaws, the global public
                                  interest, the needs of ICANN
                                  stakeholders, financial stability or
                                  other matters of concern to the
                                  community. The CWG-Stewardship
                                  recommends that the IFO’s
                                  comprehensive costs should be
                                  transparent and ICANN’s operating
                                  plans and budget should include
                                  itemization of all IANA operations
                                  costs to the project level and below
                                  as needed. An itemization of IANA
                                  costs would include “Direct Costs for
                                  the IANA department”, “Direct Costs
                                  for Shared resources” and “Support
                                  functions allocation”. Furthermore,
                                  these costs should be itemized into
                                  more specific costs related to each
                                  specific function to the project level
                                  and below as needed. PTI should also
                                  have a yearly budget that is reviewed
                                  and approved by the ICANN community on
                                  an annual basis. PTI should submit a
                                  budget to ICANN at least nine months
                                  in advance of the fiscal year to
                                  ensure the stability of the IANA
                                  services. It is the view of the
                                  CWG-Stewardship that the IANA budget
                                  should be approved by the ICANN Board
                                  in a much earlier timeframe than the
                                  overall ICANN budget. The CWG (or a
                                  successor implementation group) will
                                  need to develop a proposed process for
                                  the IANA-specific budget review, which
                                  may become a component of the overall
                                  budget review.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222;background:white"
                                    lang="EN-US">-- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222"
                                      lang="EN-US">Jordan Carter<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Chief Executive <br>
                                      <b>InternetNZ</b><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="tel:04%20495%202118"
                                        target="_blank">04 495 2118</a>
                                      (office) | <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="tel:%2B64%2021%20442%20649"
                                        target="_blank">
                                        +64 21 442 649</a> (mob)<br>
                                    </span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1155CC"
                                      lang="EN-US"><a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a></a></span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222"
                                      lang="EN-US"> <br>
                                      Skype: jordancarter<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <i>To promote the Internet's
                                        benefits and uses, and protect
                                        its potential.</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                          lang="EN-US"><br>
                          <br>
                          -- <br>
                          Jordan Carter<br>
                          Chief Executive, InternetNZ</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" target="_blank">+64-21-442-649</a>
                          |
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
                            target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span lang="EN-US">Sent on the run, apologies
                          for brevity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              <br clear="all">
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Jordan Carter<br>
                            <br>
                            Chief Executive <br>
                            <b>InternetNZ</b><br>
                            <br>
                            +64-495-2118 (office) | +64-21-442-649 (mob)<br>
                            Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
                              target="_blank"><span
                                style="color:#1155CC">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a> <br>
                            Skype: jordancarter<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                            <i>A better world through a better Internet </i><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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