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<div>You were missed in Paris. I certainly hope if you decide to be part of the ICA you will be funded. The contribution you've made to our accountability effort and within the GNSO are almost beyond measure.</div>
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<div>Eight is easily divisible by two, the number of GNSO houses, and four, the number of GNSO stakeholder groups. I would have been happy with one (we'd all have to work together to select the one), two, four, sixteen etc. I actually think eight is a pretty good number. It allows for enough diversity yet is small enough to work with.</div>
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<div>I'll be up front and recognise there are a number of proposals floating around for GNSO structural reform. I hope there are some we agree on, I presume there are some we don't. We don't know the future but we do know the present. Hopefully eight gives us enough to work with regardless of the direction we go in.</div>
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<div>I hope this was helpful but should note this was my reasoning only. I was not involved in the selection of the number presented. I did signal my approval, though, of the work done by others on this matter for the reasons indicated. As I said then, for the reasons indicated, "good job".</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com><br />
<b>Sent</b>: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:07 AM<br />
<b>To</b>: "Edward Morris" <egmorris1@toast.net><br />
<b>Cc</b>: "James Gannon" <james@cyberinvasion.net>, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com>, "Jordan Carter" <jordan@internetnz.net.nz>, "wp1@icann.org" <wp1@icann.org>, "Accountability Cross Community" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br />
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Sorry if I missed this conversation in Paris (since I didn't have the funding to get to Paris), but can you explain how 8 is the number that works best for the GNSO? Thanks!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>></span> wrote:
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Hi James,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Thanks for picking up on this. Indeed, we did agree on having up to eight representatives per SO/AC on the ICA. I liked that idea so much I gave a "good job" oral compliment to Alan and Steve in Paris for agreeing this number, one that best works for the GNSO. After all, the "5" we've agreed to for voting does not work well for us in the GNSO but we in the GNSO compromised there to help other communities. It was nice to see some reciprocity. I'm sure the number "7" is just an oversight that we can correct before we put this document out for public comment.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I believe in a robust, diverse and representative ICA. Hopefully we won't have to exercise the community powers very often but when we do I want the entire community to be represented in all it's multifaceted grandeur. One provision in our proposal would tend to discourage that: the level of support proposed for ICA members.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I'd like to propose that we extend funding to all ICA nominees, not just the 5 voting members per group. I believe people think the CCWG funding methodology, which our proposal copies, has worked: it has not, at least not for those of us in the noncommercial community. I can tell you stories of our Istanbul meeting where I had to walk for a half hour each night following our meetings through a red light district to get to my bed in a youth hostel. I'm not a youth but our NCUC budget, from which I received support for the meeting, is not large. My post midnight walk on day one (the legal subteam worked until close to midnight the first night) was particularly interesting.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I should note the difficulty our supported Member to the CCWG has had in getting to the CCWG meetings. For Istanbul, Robin had a flight cancellation and was unable to rebook in time to attend. For Paris her initial flight had mechanical problems and she arrived after an overnight flight and during our Friday morning meeting. We should learn two things from her story: 1) never book a flight Robin is on; it's just bad luck. :) and 2) relying upon one person to present a point of view of an entire component of our community at a meeting is not wise. With the serious nature of the issues the ICA will be considering all voices must be heard.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I should note it's not just noncommercial participants who may be experiencing funding problems in this regard. I've spoken to multiple commercial colleagues whose companies commitment will be reduced following the ACCT project. We need to ensure maximum participation in the ICA for this proposal to be guaranteed the diversity of views and backgrounds this entire construct needs if it is to be considered legitimate by all segments of society.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In summary: 1) We need to correct the number of ICA participants per group so that it reflects the maximum of "8" which, as James has pointed out, was the agreed position in Paris, and 2) in the interests of diversity and to ensure all voices are heard we need to support all members of the ICA, not just a select few. A two tiered nominee system should not be favoured.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In terms of budgetary impact costs can be trimmed elsewhere if need be. It makes no sense to provide full support, for example, to SO Council members and not to those nominees who will be participating in our highest deliberative, albeit nonvoting, body. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Thanks for considering,</span></div>
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<b>Sent</b>: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:14 AM<br />
<b>To</b>: "Alan Greenberg" <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, "Drazek, Keith" <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>, "Jordan Carter" <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>>, "Accountability Cross Community" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br />
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<span><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:55 PM</span><br />
<b>To:</b> Drazek, Keith; Jordan Carter; <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">And a bunch of comments from me.<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Thanks Jordan, this looks very good to me. I’ve made a few proposed red-lined edits in the attached, supported by comments. Happy to discuss further.<br />
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<b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"> mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 10:57 PM<br />
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br />
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I have taken the draft material from an older paper about the ICANN Community Assembly and pulled it into one place.<br />
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Please see attached and debate away! I've tried to be clear on its solely advisory nature, and have suggested that this would be the forum to use for the Public Accountability Forum suggestion made by advisors a while ago.<br />
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