<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Jordan and Everyone,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One query from me regarding the ICA and any meetings it may have. Sub-para d) of the ‘working methods’ para states:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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to face at general ICANN meetings, and would otherwise work electronically
unless four of the seven participating SOs and ACs called for an out-of-cycle
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<div class=""><div id="ftn" class=""><p class="MsoFootnoteText">My understanding is that, for the purpose of discussing the exercising of Community Powers, the ICA only needs to come together when a successful petition has been raised. This may or may not coincide with ICANN meetings. Chances are it would not. </p><p class="MsoFootnoteText">If the ICA also assumes the role of the Public Accountability Forum, then I agree that it could/should be convened during an ICANN meeting. On this topic, Jordan’s email of yesterday (26Jul15) stated:</p><div class=""><div class=""><font color="#0056d6" class="">From memory, the notion of the Public Accountability Forum was to bring together board, staff and the SO/ACs in a public exchange of views and questions and comments about accountability issues - a sort of open round table, <b class="">done at an ICANN meeting once a year</b>. The point was to help build mutual accountability across the ICANN system, not just vertical accountability - helping to solve the "who watches the watchers" conundrum.</font></div><div class=""><font color="#0056d6" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font color="#0056d6" class="">This could easily be done under the umbrella of the ICANN Community Assembly, perhaps with supplementary attendance or speaking rights e.g. for more of the Board, maybe the SO/AC leadership as well. </font></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So I conclude for that for the more general purpose of discussing accountability issues, the ICA would only need to meet at one ICANN Meeting per year.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So I am confused as to the intent of sub-para d). As it currently stands, it implies to me that the ICA is to meet face to face at every ICANN Meeting, and I don’t understand why it should need to.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please advise if there is something I am missing here. Is the intended meaning something like:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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none;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:13.5pt 18.0pt"><font color="#0061ff" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">d)<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> </span>For the purpose of discussing the exercising of Community Powers, t</span><span lang="EN-US" class="">he ICA is expected to work electronically
unless four of the seven participating SOs and ACs call for a face to face meeting in response to a petition. Should the timing coincide with a general ICANN meeting, then the ICA should convene at that meeting.</span></font></p><div class=""><font color="#0061ff" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>e) For the purpose of exchanging general views, comments and questions about accountability issues, the ICA should meet face to face at an ICANN meeting once a year.</font></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Many thanks,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers, Julie</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
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<!--EndFragment--><div><div class="">On 27 Jul 2015, at 8:20 am, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">hi Ed, all<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for the reminder about the number - it was simply a mistake by me to put 7 not 8.</div><div class=""><br class="">There is a misconception in your note that I want to highlight. There aren't "five voting members" of the ICA.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There aren't any votes in the ICA.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The ICA doesn't make any decisions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is a discussion forum only.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In terms of ensuring that the points of view across the community are teased out in advance of the exercise of any community powers, broad participation is good.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we set the threshold for triggering an out of cycle face to face meeting high enough, then the chances of such a meeting and the associated costs remain low/unlikely.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My nomination of five was indeed based on the CCWG approach. I don't mind where we land, but the balance is between cost and completeness (if SOs and ACs insist on equal support in such matters, anyhow).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">best</div><div class="">Jordan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2015 at 00:11, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank" class="">egmorris1@toast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px" class=""><div class="">Hi James,</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">Thanks for picking up on this. Indeed, we did agree on having up to eight representatives per SO/AC on the ICA. I liked that idea so much I gave a "good job" oral compliment to Alan and Steve in Paris for agreeing this number, one that best works for the GNSO. After all, the "5" we've agreed to for voting does not work well for us in the GNSO but we in the GNSO compromised there to help other communities. It was nice to see some reciprocity. I'm sure the number "7" is just an oversight that we can correct before we put this document out for public comment.</div>
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<div class="">I believe in a robust, diverse and representative ICA. Hopefully we won't have to exercise the community powers very often but when we do I want the entire community to be represented in all it's multifaceted grandeur. One provision in our proposal would tend to discourage that: the level of support proposed for ICA members.</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">I'd like to propose that we extend funding to all ICA nominees, not just the 5 voting members per group. I believe people think the CCWG funding methodology, which our proposal copies, has worked: it has not, at least not for those of us in the noncommercial community. I can tell you stories of our Istanbul meeting where I had to walk for a half hour each night following our meetings through a red light district to get to my bed in a youth hostel. I'm not a youth but our NCUC budget, from which I received support for the meeting, is not large. My post midnight walk on day one (the legal subteam worked until close to midnight the first night) was particularly interesting.</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">I should note the difficulty our supported Member to the CCWG has had in getting to the CCWG meetings. For Istanbul, Robin had a flight cancellation and was unable to rebook in time to attend. For Paris her initial flight had mechanical problems and she arrived after an overnight flight and during our Friday morning meeting. We should learn two things from her story: 1) never book a flight Robin is on; it's just bad luck. :) and 2) relying upon one person to present a point of view of an entire component of our community at a meeting is not wise. With the serious nature of the issues the ICA will be considering all voices must be heard.</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">I should note it's not just noncommercial participants who may be experiencing funding problems in this regard. I've spoken to multiple commercial colleagues whose companies commitment will be reduced following the ACCT project. We need to ensure maximum participation in the ICA for this proposal to be guaranteed the diversity of views and backgrounds this entire construct needs if it is to be considered legitimate by all segments of society.</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">In summary: 1) We need to correct the number of ICA participants per group so that it reflects the maximum of "8" which, as James has pointed out, was the agreed position in Paris, and 2) in the interests of diversity and to ensure all voices are heard we need to support all members of the ICA, not just a select few. A two tiered nominee system should not be favoured.</div>
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<div class="">In terms of budgetary impact costs can be trimmed elsewhere if need be. It makes no sense to provide full support, for example, to SO Council members and not to those nominees who will be participating in our highest deliberative, albeit nonvoting, body. </div>
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<div class="">Thanks for considering,</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">Ed</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" class=""><b class="">From</b>: "James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank" class="">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Sent</b>: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:14 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To</b>: "Alan Greenberg" <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" class="">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, "Drazek, Keith" <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank" class="">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>, "Jordan Carter" <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1@icann.org</a>>, "Accountability Cross Community" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class="">
<b class="">Subject</b>: Re: [WP1] New section - ICANN Community Assembly</div></div></span><div class=""><div class="h5">
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<div class=""><p style="margin-right:1.4pt;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:.5in" class=""><span class="">a)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"" class=""> </span></span><b class="">Each ICANN SO or AC</b> would be asked to nominate <span style="background:yellow" class=""> between one and seven people</span> to participate in the ICA – this is to ensure that there is at least some presence from each part of the community in the ICA, and some likelihood that its activities and discussions will include a wide range of perspectives.</p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">I assume the 7 is a holdover from a previous version? It was very clearly agreed to be 8 in Paris.</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">-James Gannon</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" class=""> <a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Alan Greenberg<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:55 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Drazek, Keith; Jordan Carter; <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [WP1] New section - ICANN Community Assembly</span></p>
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</div><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">And a bunch of comments from me.<br class="">
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Alan<br class="">
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At 25/07/2015 09:03 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Jordan, this looks very good to me. I’ve made a few proposed red-lined edits in the attached, supported by comments. Happy to discuss further.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
Keith<br class="">
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<b class="">From:</b> <a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class=""> mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 10:57 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [WP1] New section - ICANN Community Assembly<br class="">
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Hi all<br class="">
<br class="">
I have taken the draft material from an older paper about the ICANN Community Assembly and pulled it into one place.<br class="">
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Please see attached and debate away! I've tried to be clear on its solely advisory nature, and have suggested that this would be the forum to use for the Public Accountability Forum suggestion made by advisors a while ago.<br class="">
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best,<br class="">
Jordan<br class="">
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