<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Can someone remind me why we need yet another talkshop? Other than to create funded travel opportunities?</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>-- <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13pt; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Sent from </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Dr Lisse's iPhone 6</span></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 27, 2015, at 00:10, Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px"><div>Hi Jordan,</div>
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<div>Thanks for the note.</div>
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<div>I do realise we don't vote in the ICA. I should have been clearer that I was referring to voting in the later stage, the community mechanism (forgive me if I don't recall what we are currently branding it as). That, as proposed, gives 5 votes to each participating SOAC thus making it easier for those groups to select representatives based upon geography (not an issue in the GNSO). My apologies for not being clearer.</div>
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<div>As we talk about the funding issue I do think it is important to point out that in the CCWG we had funded Members and, theoretically, had an unlimited number of unfunded participants. It's pretty clear why we couldn't fund all CCWG participants. In proposing that we fund all ICA nominees I'd suggest that we're copying the CCWG model in substance, even if the number is a bit bigger, as we'd be funding all those nominated by their SOAC's.</div>
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<div>We already have comments on the draft document asking if the SOAC's need to predesignate their travelling nominees etc. We can get around that issue by funding all Nominees just as we funded all Members in the CCWG. It would also make the selection process a lot easier at the SOAC level: I'd hate on GNSO Council to have not only to select our nominees (which we would likely delegate to the SG's or Constituencies) but then have to determine at the Council level which 5 get funded and which 3 do not. I'd really like to take competition for resources out of the equation given the serious nature of the ICA's business.</div>
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<div>I look forward to speaking with everyone about all of this in the next few days. Thanks, again, Jordan - it's always a pleasure to work with you.</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: "Jordan Carter" <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:20 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Edward Morris" <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>><br>
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: [WP1] New section - ICANN Community Assembly</span>
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<div dir="ltr">hi Ed, all
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<div>Thanks for the reminder about the number - it was simply a mistake by me to put 7 not 8.</div>
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There is a misconception in your note that I want to highlight. There aren't "five voting members" of the ICA.</div>
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<div>There aren't any votes in the ICA.</div>
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<div>The ICA doesn't make any decisions.</div>
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<div>It is a discussion forum only.</div>
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<div>In terms of ensuring that the points of view across the community are teased out in advance of the exercise of any community powers, broad participation is good.</div>
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<div>If we set the threshold for triggering an out of cycle face to face meeting high enough, then the chances of such a meeting and the associated costs remain low/unlikely.</div>
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<div>My nomination of five was indeed based on the CCWG approach. I don't mind where we land, but the balance is between cost and completeness (if SOs and ACs insist on equal support in such matters, anyhow).</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2015 at 00:11, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>></span> wrote:
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Hi James,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Thanks for picking up on this. Indeed, we did agree on having up to eight representatives per SO/AC on the ICA. I liked that idea so much I gave a "good job" oral compliment to Alan and Steve in Paris for agreeing this number, one that best works for the GNSO. After all, the "5" we've agreed to for voting does not work well for us in the GNSO but we in the GNSO compromised there to help other communities. It was nice to see some reciprocity. I'm sure the number "7" is just an oversight that we can correct before we put this document out for public comment.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I believe in a robust, diverse and representative ICA. Hopefully we won't have to exercise the community powers very often but when we do I want the entire community to be represented in all it's multifaceted grandeur. One provision in our proposal would tend to discourage that: the level of support proposed for ICA members.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I'd like to propose that we extend funding to all ICA nominees, not just the 5 voting members per group. I believe people think the CCWG funding methodology, which our proposal copies, has worked: it has not, at least not for those of us in the noncommercial community. I can tell you stories of our Istanbul meeting where I had to walk for a half hour each night following our meetings through a red light district to get to my bed in a youth hostel. I'm not a youth but our NCUC budget, from which I received support for the meeting, is not large. My post midnight walk on day one (the legal subteam worked until close to midnight the first night) was particularly interesting.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I should note the difficulty our supported Member to the CCWG has had in getting to the CCWG meetings. For Istanbul, Robin had a flight cancellation and was unable to rebook in time to attend. For Paris her initial flight had mechanical problems and she arrived after an overnight flight and during our Friday morning meeting. We should learn two things from her story: 1) never book a flight Robin is on; it's just bad luck. :) and 2) relying upon one person to present a point of view of an entire component of our community at a meeting is not wise. With the serious nature of the issues the ICA will be considering all voices must be heard.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I should note it's not just noncommercial participants who may be experiencing funding problems in this regard. I've spoken to multiple commercial colleagues whose companies commitment will be reduced following the ACCT project. We need to ensure maximum participation in the ICA for this proposal to be guaranteed the diversity of views and backgrounds this entire construct needs if it is to be considered legitimate by all segments of society.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In summary: 1) We need to correct the number of ICA participants per group so that it reflects the maximum of "8" which, as James has pointed out, was the agreed position in Paris, and 2) in the interests of diversity and to ensure all voices are heard we need to support all members of the ICA, not just a select few. A two tiered nominee system should not be favoured.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In terms of budgetary impact costs can be trimmed elsewhere if need be. It makes no sense to provide full support, for example, to SO Council members and not to those nominees who will be participating in our highest deliberative, albeit nonvoting, body. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Thanks for considering,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><span style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>: "James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:14 AM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Alan Greenberg" <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, "Drazek, Keith" <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>, "Jordan Carter" <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>>, "Accountability Cross Community" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>></span></span>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Drazek, Keith; Jordan Carter; <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WP1] New section - ICANN Community Assembly</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">And a bunch of comments from me.<br>
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At 25/07/2015 09:03 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Thanks Jordan, this looks very good to me. I’ve made a few proposed red-lined edits in the attached, supported by comments. Happy to discuss further.<br>
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<b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"> mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 10:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WP1] New section - ICANN Community Assembly<br>
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Hi all<br>
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I have taken the draft material from an older paper about the ICANN Community Assembly and pulled it into one place.<br>
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Please see attached and debate away! I've tried to be clear on its solely advisory nature, and have suggested that this would be the forum to use for the Public Accountability Forum suggestion made by advisors a while ago.<br>
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