<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Mark,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With respect, the GAC has ALWAYS been able to intervene at any time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Other than that, I understand your position.<br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 28 Jul 2015, at 22:00 , Mark Carvell <<a href="mailto:mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk" class="">mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dear Robin </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Things are already changing though: for example following an ATRT recommendation, the GAC is now able to intervene on public interest grounds in the early stages of policy development. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The current problem is that the participation of representatives of governments and their citizens in community-wide voting procedures may prove unworkable if not technically impossible (some GAC reps at national level are taking legal advice on this). Furthermore, these procedures may risk subordinating the global public interest if the GAC position on an issue (which conceivably it could also have initiated) were to be outvoted by other constituencies for example. In that scenario, I would expect that the view of governments would be that such community decisions would be rendered fundamentally unsafe.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Such constraints on participation present challenges to how government representatives fulfil their obligations in the new architecture of ICANN accountability and community empowerment but they should not be insurmountable: we will have to be inventive with regard to the precise modalities for governments to opt into these community-wide processes to ensure that the public interest is served when high level decisions are taken by the community that will impact on the Internet's critical infrastructure. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Kind regards</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Mark</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Mark Carvell</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">United Kingdom Representative on the GAC</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 July 2015 at 11:55, Robin Gross <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank" class="">robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">I still believe that ACs should remain in an advisory role and not additionally have votes. We seem to be fundamentally changing the roles of ICANN's constituent parts in ways that clearly have not been fully examined. The SO's are charged with making policy and ACs are charged with advising the board in ICANN's existing structure, but we will be eliminating that barrier in many cases with this mechanism, with SO's giving away most of this power to ACs. Even if we could find consensus in such a re-balancing and re-assignment of roles (and I'm not sure we can), I don't see how Congress or the NTIA could accept such a massive reformulation and subversion of the SO's interests. Advisory Committees are "advisory" and we should not change that through this process, despite the crushing pressure to go along for a fast transition.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Robin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Jul 28, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear CCWG members<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please find attached a number of papers up for discussion on today's call in about three hours - these are final drafts, the marked ups and background versions are on the Wiki at the link below.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also attached is a summary noting what the key most recent changes have been.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I particularly draw your attention to the paper which starts 5A2 on voting power, updated following the WP1 call this morning and now allocating 5 votes per SO and AC, and with an opt-in mechanism proposed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">Speak with you soon,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jordan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br class="">From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Jordan Carter</b> <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>></span><br class="">Date: 28 July 2015 at 21:20<br class="">Subject: Draft Agenda & Papers - WP1 Meeting #22 (28 July at 19h UTC)<br class="">To: "<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">wp1@icann.org</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi all<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is the draft agenda and the documents for the WP1 call happening at 19-21h UTC on Tuesday 28 July 2015.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also attached is the summary of issues.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Please read these documents before the call - the working method will be an "Are There Any Final Comments To Make/Did Anything Decided at CCWG Affect This Draft" approach...</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[the reason for this is that our meeting finishes only 3 hrs before the absolute Freeze date for the </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">1. Review of Agenda.</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">2. Any outstanding issues from CCWG meeting</b> of 28 July (12h-14h)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">3. Final Review of the Following Documents</b> (clean PDFs of "final drafts" attached - mark ups and Word versions to come on Wiki site at <<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP1+Draft+Documents" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;line-height:115%" target="_blank" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP1+Draft+Documents</a>> )</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Fundamental Bylaws (3B)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Community Mechanism description (5A1)</div><div class=""> Community Mech - voting weights (5A2) -- NOTE <b class="">an update to come yet from Bernie and Alan re quorums etc)</b></div><div class=""><b class=""> </b>Community Mech - ICANN community forum (5A3)</div><div class=""> <br clear="all" class=""><div class=""> Comm Power - Budgets and Plans (5B1)</div><div class=""> Comm Power - Standard Bylaws (5B2)</div><div class=""> Comm Power - Removal of ICANN directors (5B3)</div><div class=""> Comm Power - Recall of ICANN Board (5B4)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Note: Steve's paper on incorporating AOC reviews into the ICANN bylaws (6-2) had agreement to incorporate the text on document disclosure etc on 27 July, so that paper is done and dusted. It's attached just so there is a complete collection here, but is not for discussion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">4. Next Task: Finalising responses to Public Comments from PC1</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">5. Any other matters</b></div><span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small" class="">Jordan Carter<br class=""><br class="">Chief Executive <br class=""><b class="">InternetNZ</b><br class=""><br class="">+64-495-2118 (office) | <a href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" value="+6421442649" target="_blank" class="">+64-21-442-649</a> (mob)<br class="">Email: <a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a> <br class="">Skype: jordancarter<br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small" class=""><br class=""><i class="">A better world through a better Internet </i></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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