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    I"m glad.  I think we could all use a chuckle.<br>
    SP<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-07-30 19:15, Chris Disspain
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            <div class="">On 31 Jul 2015, at 09:13 , Stephanie Perrin
              &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>&gt;
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                !important;" class="">+1.  The UN Declaration is the
                recognized bedrock, really.  However, the convenants are
                where things get specific.  Requires further work, which
                fortunately is already started in the Human Rights
                community working party.</span><br style="font-family:
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                display: inline !important;" class="">As for ICANN
                taking tangible action...may I humbly suggest that
                dropping the public meeting of the Board and the NCSG
                would go a long way to compliance with Article 5...</span><br
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                display: inline !important;" class="">(that is the one
                on torture, to save you looking it up....</span><a
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                rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 2015-07-30 18:44, Chris Disspain
                wrote:<br class="">
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                  <div class=""><font class="" color="#232323">Irrespective
                      of whether this ends up in WS 1 or 2 we really do
                      need to do the work to define what we mean by the
                      words we use. What are fundamental human rights?
                      Whose definition are we using? And it would be
                      really useful to have some examples of something
                      concrete ICANN would have to do if it made this
                      commitment or something it would not be able to
                      do.</font>
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                    <div class=""><font class="" color="#232323">If we
                        are not prepared or equipped to do that work now
                        then this MUST go to WS 2 IMO. If we
                        are prepared to do the work now I’m happy to
                        help.</font><br class="">
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                          <div class="">On 31 Jul 2015, at 08:37 ,
                            Jonathan Zuck &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org" class="">JZuck@actonline.org</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</div>
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                          <div class="">Good question! The waters got
                            muddy at the end. I appears as though there
                            was a simple majority in favor of something
                            being in there and, given that, a simple
                            majority in favor of Greg's language. I
                            don't know what that means for the draft
                            that will go out to the public. There was
                            talk of another poll on the listserv to
                            capture more folks.<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            80% sure you don't need to draft anything
                            and Greg will need to draft an inline
                            objection on behalf of part of the
                            CSG....but who knows?<br class="">
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                            Jonathan Zuck<br class="">
                            President<br class="">
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                            Skype: jvzuck<br class="">
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                            From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                            on behalf of Avri Doria &lt;<a
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                            Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:27 PM<br
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                            To: Accountability Cross Community<br
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                            Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] so what is the current
                            outcome on human rights.<br class="">
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                            Dear esteemed chairs,<br class="">
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                            Perhaps it was because I was following only
                            the chat, but I cannot tell<br class="">
                            where the issue was left.  I am sorry I
                            could not stay on the call, but<br class="">
                            I had a classroom of students I was guiding
                            through a multistakeholder<br class="">
                            practicum. i.e I was working, for pay even.<br
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                            Does the reference recommendation currently
                            include a bylaw on Human Rights?<br class="">
                            If so, which one?<br class="">
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                            I am trying to decide on whether I need to
                            spend tonight finishing my<br class="">
                            minority report or not.<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            Also Is the deadline for the minority
                            reports that want to be include in<br
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                            the report still Friday at 1800 utc?<br
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                            Thanks<br class="">
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                            avri<br class="">
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