<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Stephanie&#39;s email raises a larger issue of whether the addition of this human rights language to ICANN&#39;s Core Values in it Bylaws (a) merely prevents ICANN from backsliding from its current treatment of human rights issues after the NTIA transition, or (b) creates new obligations for ICANN and changes the way ICANN approaches current obligations.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This emphasizes that it clearly appears to be the latter.  But we don&#39;t know, because we are in &quot;Ready, Fire, Aim&quot; mode, and the work to understand what we&#39;re doing will only come after its done.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    I hate to complicate this discussion, but I feel duty bound to point
    out that the first human right many people think of these days with
    respect to the domain name registration system is privacy.  Freedom
    of expression and the openness of the Internet rolls more easily off
    the tongue....but if anyone says what about privacy, the WHOIS would
    have to be re-examined.  This of course conflicts with the marching
    orders that the NTIA has had for ICANN since its inception.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
    Stephanie Perrin</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <div>On 2015-07-30 5:59, Erika Mann wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">In addition to Avri&#39;s points, such a provision
        could help as well to ensure that future business models that
        relate to more sensitive strings (.gay for example) will
        continue to be treated as any other string. 
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        <div>Erika</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Avri
          Doria <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
            <br>
            Off the top of my head, I think a first thing we would have
            to do would<br>
            be to start understanding the impact, if any, of ICANN
            operations and<br>
            policies on human rights.  Some of this work is already
            starting in the<br>
            human rights working party (HRWP), though that is a rather
            informal<br>
            beginning.  I would also think that some part of the staff
            would need to<br>
            start taking these issues into consideration.  I do not
            think that it<br>
            would cause any serious changes in the near future but would
            make us<br>
            more aware as time went on, and would give us a basis for
            discussion<br>
            both in the HRWP and in the ACSO and Board.<br>
            <br>
            In terms of the specific things it might limt us from, and
            this would<br>
            require some analysis on specifc events, might be creating
            any kinds of<br>
            policies or operations that forced  limitation of content,
            beyond the<br>
            limitations required by law for incitement, on domain named
            sites.  It<br>
            would in fact strengthen our postion in that respect.<br>
            <br>
            Most important though, it would cover a hole left by the
            loss of the<br>
            NTIA backstop, on any issue concerning freedom of
            expression, free flow<br>
            of information or openness of the Internet.<br>
            <br>
            thanks<br>
            avri<br>
            <span><br>
              On 30-Jul-15 11:07, Drazek, Keith wrote:<br>
              &gt; Hi Chris,<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; I&#39;ll have to defer to others with more expertise on
              this one.  It&#39;s a<br>
              &gt; good question that should be addressed.<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; Best,<br>
              &gt; Keith<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt; On Jul 30, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Chris Disspain &lt;<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a><br>
            </span><span>&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; Keith,<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; This looks interesting. Could we think of an
              example of something<br>
              &gt;&gt; concrete ICANN would have to do if it made this
              commitment? Or<br>
              &gt;&gt; something it would not be able to do?<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt; Chris<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; On 30 Jul 2015, at 18:16 , Drazek, Keith &lt;<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a><br>
            </span><span>&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Avri,<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; In order to tie your suggestion directly to
              the language in<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; Secretary Strickling&#39;s April 2014 written
              congressional testimony<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; (included in a prior email) and to reduce
              concerns about scope<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; creep, would language along these lines be
              acceptable to you?<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Within its mission and in its
              operations, ICANN will be committed<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to respect the fundamental human rights
              of the exercise of free<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; expression and the free flow of
              information.&quot;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; Speaking personally, I could probably support
              this formulation. To<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; be clear, I have not discussed this with the
              RySG, but it&#39;s<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; consistent with the requirements outlined by
              NTIA so I think it&#39;s<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; certainly worth considering.<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m not advocating including this in the
              Bylaws, but I&#39;m not<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; objecting to it either. However, if we don&#39;t
              reach consensus for<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; adding to the Bylaws, I definitely think this
              is worth further<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; consideration in WS2 and would support an
              explicit reference using<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; this or similar language and timetable for
              doing so.<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt; Keith<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 30, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Avri Doria
              &lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a><br>
            </span><span>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Within its mission, ICANN will be
              committed to respect fundamental<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  human rights in its operationsespecially
              with regard to the exercise<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  of free expression or the free flow of
              information.<br>
              &gt;&gt;&gt;
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