<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Avri,</div><div><br></div><div>you are right.</div><div><br></div><div>As a matter of fact, while thinking about this in the car this morning, I have decided to chang my mind:</div><div><br></div><div>1) It must go into WS1</div><div><br></div><div>2) I can live with Keith's language if&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>a) we add the words "in particular", "such as for example" or my personal favourite "inter alia"; AND</div><div><br></div><div>b) add the words "due process"&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I only have the iPhone in my meeting but will propose a complete sentence later in the morning.</div><div><br></div><div>el</div><div><br>--&nbsp;<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13pt; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Sent from </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Dr Lisse's iPhone 6</span></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jul 31, 2015, at 07:04, Avri Doria &lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Hi,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Not only would we lose leverage, but until such time as WS2 completed</span><br><span>its work there would be no protection of human rights and especially no</span><br><span>protection for freedom of expression and the free flow of knowledge.</span><br><span></span><br><span>avri</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 31-Jul-15 07:31, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>No,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>we don't.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>In terms of the Charter need to determine whether we have Full</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Consensus, Consensus or enough objections to constitut No Consensus of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the members appointed by the chartering AC/SOs. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The participants do not take part in this determination and/or any</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>related polls.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Qualifying language has the restrictive effect of excluding what is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>not mentioned. Hence I will only accept an unqualified requirement. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>This can go into WS2 but we then loose leverage.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>el</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 6</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jul 30, 2015, at 23:59, Kavouss Arasteh &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>&lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear All</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Grec ,s proposal got 11 in favour and 8 against( those voted for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Keith, s proposal)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Keith,s proposal got 8 in favour and 11 against( those voted for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Grec, s proposal)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My proposal got 8 in favour and 4 against</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We thus need to identify the proposal that gained a more clear majority</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kavouss &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 31 Jul 2015, at 07:37, Jonathan Zuck &lt;<a href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org">JZuck@actonline.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>&lt;<a href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org">mailto:JZuck@actonline.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Good question! The waters got muddy at the end. I appears as though</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>there was a simple majority in favor of something being in there</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and, given that, a simple majority in favor of Greg's language. I</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>don't know what that means for the draft that will go out to the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>public. There was talk of another poll on the listserv to capture</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>more folks.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>80% sure you don't need to draft anything and Greg will need to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>draft an inline objection on behalf of part of the CSG....but who knows?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jonathan Zuck</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[...]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>---</span><br><span>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.</span><br><span><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>