Julie's original email was posted to the Accountability list only. I took the liberty of cross-posting it to the Stewardship list.<div><br></div><div>Greg<br><br>On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Not sure why, but I did not see Julie’s original mail.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I agree with her point. There are also other parts of this section of the matrix that raise questions for me:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">For all of “2. <b>ICANN Budget and IANA Budget</b>” I think CWG should be consulted
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</span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(a) This is definitely something that needs to be considered by the CWG. I’m not
sure about what we mean by “approved budget.” In my mind, PTI prepares its budget in discussion with the OCs so there will be a general expectation that the budget is a community-agreed budget – if it isn’t, there would be reason for the budget to be challenged.
So couldn’t/shouldn’t ICANN challenge the budget if there were opposition from the community? I like the idea of a contract commitment (but wouldn’t that undermine a community power in ICANN to veto the IANA budget?) subject to there being a condition in
the contract for PTI to develop its budget in consultation with the OCs (the CSC?), given that runaway budgets in the PTI will have a knock-on effect on how much they have to pay to ICANN!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span>iii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I like the contract-condition approach because the same conditions would need to
be transferred to any new operator.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span>iv.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(b) Shouldn’t this be a requirement on the PTI? They are the ones with the budget
and the obligations that go with it. This would seem to be a contract condition.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span>v.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(c) Again a contract condition?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span>vi.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As I noted above, I agree with Julie. “Approval” should be part of PTI’s budget
development (especially for things like new investment, enhancing service level expectations, new technology developments).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The CSC is an entity associated with the PTI: Is the framework under 5 better included in the contract than in a fundamental bylaw? On the other hand, there
will be operational issues and decisions that would fall under the purview of the ccNSO and GNSO (selection of members, recall of members, escalation for example) and these will probably need bylaw changes for the ccNSO and GNSO. would these need to be fundamental
bylaws, though?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Under 6, isn’t this something for the PTI, not ICANN? I guess it could be a condition in the ICANN-PTI contract that the PTI develops a problem-resolution
service, but I wonder how a bylaw in ICANN would achieve this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">8.(e) talks about separation of PTI, but isn’t it the IANA functions operation that is separated from PTI? And if that happens, there is no reason to do other
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 August 2015 13:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Hammer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Staff; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [client com] ICANN Bylaws Matrix<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Julie Hammer <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','julie.hammer@bigpond.com');" target="_blank">julie.hammer@bigpond.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks for sharing this matrix. One thing that struck me when having a quick look through it was that Sidley have listed at Item 2 (d) the following as Subject Matter for a new Fundamental Bylaw:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my understanding, the proposed power was to consider and reject (or veto) the IANA Budget, but there should be no requirement for the ICANN Community to come together and actually
<span style="color:#ff2600">approve</span> the IANA budget. I had not thought that the Community Mechanism was intended to be used for such a purpose (ie approving strategic plans, operating plans or budgets).<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:8.0pt">381 </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Accordingly, this new power would give the community the ability to consider strategic and operating plans and budgets (both ICANN general and, separately, with
respect to the budget for the IANA Functions) after they are approved by the Board (but before they come into effect) and reject them. The rejection could be of the proposed ICANN Budget or the IANA Budget, or of a proposed ICANN-wide strategic or operating
plan. The petition would state which Budget or plan was being subject to veto. A separate petition is required for each Budget or plan being challenged. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, Julie<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The matrix is intended to help identify those bylaws that, from the scope of the CWG, would need to be considered fundamental. This, of course, is independent from the work we need to do but provides an example on what we can begin crafting
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">De: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"Flanagan, Sharon" <<a>sflanagan@sidley.com</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Asunto: [client com] ICANN Bylaws Matrix</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Fecha:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">11 de agosto de 2015 9:43:05 GMT-5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Para: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Client Committee <<a>cwg-client@icann.org</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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