<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Julie</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for spotting this. As Greg said, this is an initial draft being passed to the CWG and hasn't been reviewed yet. </div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, mistakes might be in the document as you have rightly signaled. </div><div><br></div><div>The community power remains as proposed and nothing in this matrix changes our current proposal. </div><div><br></div><div>I will let know the CWG Chairs and the legal team of this imprecise language so it can be adjusted accordingly. <br><br>Kind regards,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>León</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Enviado desde el móvil. Disculpa brevedad y errores tipográficos. </div></div><div><br>El ago 12, 2015, a las 8:08 AM, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Community approval would problematic at the least. The Board approves the budget. The reserve power is for the community to veto and send it back.<div><br></div><div>Anything else is difficult, at the least...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>J<span></span><br><br>On Thursday, 13 August 2015, Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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And I don't think that community approval was what we agreed or was
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<div>On 8/12/2015 1:20 PM, Gomes, Chuck
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
is a very good catch. Requiring community approval of the
budget would seriously and I think needlessly delay the
budget process.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Hammer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Staff; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>;
Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [client com] ICANN
Bylaws Matrix<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Julie,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you're right. As this was passed
on to the whole CWG and CCWG without any prior review by any
subcommittees, it should be considered subject to review and
comment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greg Shatan<br>
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On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Julie Hammer <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','julie.hammer@bigpond.com');" target="_blank"></a><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','julie.hammer@bigpond.com');" target="_blank">julie.hammer@bigpond.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Leon,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks for sharing this matrix.
One thing that struck me when having a quick look
through it was that Sidley have listed at Item 2 (d) the
following as Subject Matter for a new Fundamental Bylaw:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.5pt">"Requirement
that the ICANN community <span style="color:#ff2600">
approve </span>or veto the IANA Budget
after it has been approved by the ICANN Board
but before it has come into effect." </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my understanding, the proposed
power was to consider and reject (or veto) the IANA
Budget, but there should be no requirement for the ICANN
Community to come together and actually
<span style="color:#ff2600">approve</span> the IANA
budget. I had not thought that the Community Mechanism
was intended to be used for such a purpose (ie approving
strategic plans, operating plans or budgets).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the relevant paragraph from
the CCWG 2nd draft report is para 381 on page 58:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span>379.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt">381 </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Accordingly, this new
power would give the community the ability to
consider strategic and operating plans and
budgets (both ICANN general and, separately,
with respect to the budget for the IANA
Functions) after they are approved by the Board
(but before they come into effect) and reject
them. The rejection could be of the proposed
ICANN Budget or the IANA Budget, or of a
proposed ICANN-wide strategic or operating plan.
The petition would state which Budget or plan
was being subject to veto. A separate petition
is required for each Budget or plan being
challenged. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps I am misunderstanding
something, but I don’t think the word ‘approve’ should
appear in 2 (d) in the Sidley matrix.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, Julie<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12 Aug 2015, at 1:56 am, León
Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am forwarding this matrix
that the CWG is working on as it is of the
interest of this group as well and to help us
continue shaping our work forward.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The matrix is intended to
help identify those bylaws that, from the scope
of the CWG, would need to be considered
fundamental. This, of course, is independent
from the work we need to do but provides an
example on what we can begin crafting ourselves.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you want to keep being in
the matrix, swallow the blue pill. If you want
to work on shaping the matrix, swallow the red
pill. (geek joke)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">León<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Inicio del mensaje
reenviado:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">De:
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</b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"Flanagan,
Sharon" <<a>sflanagan@sidley.com</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Asunto:
[client com] ICANN Bylaws Matrix</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Fecha:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">11
de agosto de 2015 9:43:05 GMT-5</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Para:
</span>
</b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Client
Committee <<a>cwg-client@icann.org</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear
All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Attached
is a draft matrix summarizing the
proposed ICANN bylaw changes that
relate to CWG’s final proposal. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Could
you please forward to the CWG?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">SHARON</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <b>FLANAGAN</b></span><br>
<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Partner</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sidley
Austin LLP<br>
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