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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just a general update on the process that the board is using:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There is a two day workshop this week for staff and available Board members to do a deep dive review of the CCWG proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Board is planning to then have a phone call amongst the whole board to review some of the outputs of that workshop and hear from all Board members<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Board will then meet with the CCWG to get a briefing from the CCWG, ask questions and share any thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bruce Tonkin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brenda Brewer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 25 August 2015 5:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for CCWG ACCT Meeting #50 - 25 August<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The notes, recordings and transcripts for the CCWG ACCT meeting #<span style="color:#1F497D">50</span> -
<span style="color:#1F497D">25</span> August will be available here: <span style="color:#1F497D">
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/049CAw">https://community.icann.org/x/049CAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A copy of the notes and acti<span style="color:#1F497D">o</span>n items may be found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you<span style="color:#1F497D">.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Brenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM - CoChairs to write correspondence to Board Chair and Board liaison that recognizes legal independence in advice but urges a closer collaboration especially with respect to legal experts. A draft will be circulated on list. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM - Cochairs to send an email to group with references included. Put status of discussion in email and seek confirmation <br>
of approach or go with different proposal.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: Greg, Becky, Steve to follow up on IPC discussion.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: Alan to relay ALAC concerns on proposed Bylaws revisions</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">2. <b>Preliminary ICANN Board Comments</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Board is scaling up efforts and involved in this. They announced steps that are important for us to be aware of: 1) seeking external counseling input that will be inserted into forum; 2) reaching <br>
out to third party experts on governance to assess impact of proposal; 3) they will be using these briefing materials to build their comments. They provide useful examples of concerns e.g. change of role of ACs and new <br>
powers that are being granted, risk of paralysis and IRP related concerns. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">We have been trying to organize calls with the Board but have not been able to find a time. Concerns that dialogue is <br>
not taking place. Board announcement might turn discussions into expensive battle of experts instead of dialogue. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Feedback:</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Part of comments are positive. The fact that they are seeking advice should not be criticized but their comment is a warning: we should not be destabilizing delicate balance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Impression of feedback should have been given earlier in process. Why did they not seek experts feedback earlier? This may <br>
delay in process. What are we negotiating? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Board proclaimed desire to discuss issues in BA but no follow up in Paris. What of Bruce's attendance to calls? We need an open and constructive discussion with Board. There needs to be understanding behing report <br>
before submitting additional comments. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- It is normal for the Board seek its own advice. If it implements what we propose and somehow it does not work, ICANN will <br>
crash. Important not to create a biased. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Can't argue with wish to have solid and capture-proof model. What we have come up with needs to be looked at carefully. Board taking that on is a good thing. How we deal <br>
with problems they identify will be interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- There is a problem of misunderstanding - we have always had Board members with us. They understand what we are doing <br>
and it is their responsibility to evaluate. We need to dialogue with Board. The Board has no interest in collapsing our work - they <br>
have concerns. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- We have to determine how we can improve dialogue with Board. We can't ensure we will come with a stable proposal to the <br>
end. We have minority statements, comments in disagreement etc. We need to see how we will honor that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Next steps is to bring together group to start working on IRP and rules of procedure. Expert report could be extremely <br>
damaging and counterproductive. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- It can be extremely helpful if Board comes up with feedback to identify gaps (e.g. staturory rights on first proposal). If the <br>
Board comes back to us with counter proposal, based on misunderstandings or information they did not get access to, it will be disastrous. We need to be careful about overall impression of dialogue. We should avoid that Board signals to outside <br>
world is that it is derailing transition or community discussion. Suggestion to get back to Board to make the door wide open for <br>
dialogue. We should be forthcoming and we suggest writing the Board a letter to avoid complications. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">On corporate advisors, we should share concerns we see with the Board that ICANN has come us with idea of public experts. <br>
We did not go far enough in eyes of some advisors with our proposals. Two scenarios can happen: 1) external advisors agree <br>
we have not been far enough; 2) external advisors say we went too far - it will be perceived as Board asking for less change. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- It is legitimate for the Board to seek advice but there is value in scheduling a meeting with ICANN Board's legal experts to avoid misunderstandings. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM - CoChairs to write correspondence to Board Chair and Board liaison that recognizes legal independence in advice but urges a closer collaboration especially with respect to legal experts. A draft will be circulated on list. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">3 CWG requirement on Separation CCWG</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Stems from ICG report that states that separation process is kicked off by a working group based on CCWG proposal. Should we build <br>
separate process or can we use existing mechanism to set up group?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Feedback:</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- It is too early to discuss separation and for CCWG to get involved in matters. Suggest that Cochairs discuss with CWG leadership.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Where is it noted that we need to specify process?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- ICG proposal states that CCWG needs to define process. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM - Cochairs to send an email to group with references included. Put status of discussion in email and seek confirmation of <br>
approach or go with different proposal.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">4. Human Rights discussion </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Progress includes two discussion starter documents: first draft on high level objective and background briefing. We are in process of closing <br>
doodle poll for call this week. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Feedback</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- We should be concise and high level. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Progress accomplished in upcoming weeks will be shared with CCWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">5. Feedback received by group Members on Second Draft Proposal</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Opportunity to relay initial feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Feedback</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Simplicity of community mechanism. IPC discussion on contract enforcement. Discussion happening on unintended consequences which is a good sign. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">--> We identified potential ambiguous reference in revised mission. Edit proposed to Core Values.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: Greg, Becky, Steve to follow up on IPC discussion.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Preliminary discussions within GAC: core value 7, voting power of work (participation or not), unclarity on what it is being suggested. Working on ST 18 and core values language. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">- Current model is not ALAC's preference but can live with it. Comparison between current bylaws and changes is needed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">--> Synopsis is on its way. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">ACTION ITEM: Alan to relay ALAC concerns on proposed Bylaws revisions</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">6. ICANN 54</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">CCWG-ACCT 16 Oct Friday 09:00 – 17:00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Possible engagement session on Monday afternoon either in conjunction with ICG or CCWG alone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">CCWG-ACCT 22 Oct Thursday 08:00 – 10:00 --> Touch-base to see where we stand with chartering organizations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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