<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Steve</div><div>Your concerns are a valid due to the fact that the language used is to strong ( shall not) and the phrase starting with " attempt the regulation of services.,,,." is on the one hand strong as it uses the verb "attempt" which is a prerequisite of any subsequent action and on the other hand, its field of application is too general which could cover any action e.g.those you have referred to.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 26 Aug 2015, at 17:47, Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<div>
<div>
<div>On our Tuesday CCWG call, I raised questions from the BC and IPC about whether the new Mission & Core Values could be interpreted to prevent ICANN from enforcing certain aspects of registrar and registry contracts. </div>
</div>
</div>
<span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here’s how I framed the question:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none; padding:0px;">
<div>Under our proposal, Mission and Core Values really matter, since they are the standard by which an IRP could be used to challenge ICANN actions. Our proposal adds this to ICANN’s Mission in the Bylaws:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none; padding:0px;">ICANN shall have no power to act other than in accordance with, and as reasonably appropriate to achieve its Mission. Without in any way limiting the foregoing absolute prohibition, <font color="#ff0000">ICANN
shall not engage in or use its powers to attempt the regulation of services that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that they carry or provide</font>.</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The question is, could the red text be interpreted to prevent ICANN from enforcing RAA requirements on WHOIS? </div>
</blockquote>
</span></div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none; padding:0px;">
<div>Or to prevent ICANN from enforcing a registry’s Public Interest Commitments to restrict registrant activities?</div>
</blockquote>
</span></div>
</div>
</span>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none; padding:0px;">
<div>Becky Burr and Greg Shatan seem confident that contract enforcement is NOT a form of “regulation of services”. But we need to explain why we’re so sure of that, and perhaps add some text to make it abundantly clear.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, contracts that are negotiated between ICANN and registry operators may include provisions that are not the result of bottom-up, multistakeholder processes. Such as the PIC specs, for example. Could ICANN be prevented from enforcing those provisions
under the revised Core Value #5? (below)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">
<div>Employ <font color="#ff0000">open, transparent and bottom-up, multistakeholder policy development processes</font>, led by the private sector, including business stakeholders, civil society, the technical community, and academia that (i) seek input from
the public, for whose benefit ICANN shall in all events act, (ii) promote well-informed decisions based on expert advice, and (iii) ensure that those entities most affected can assist in the policy development process</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>On Tuesday’s call, we discussed developing language clarifying that contract terms and contract enforcement are NOT content regulation.</div>
</blockquote>
</span></div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px; border:none; padding:0px;">
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>Below is the reply from Greg Shatan and Becky Burr to our emails, which occurred before the CCWG call. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We may also want to seek help from our legal team.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);">
<span style="font-weight: bold;">From: </span>Becky Burr<br>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span>Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 2:04 AM<br>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="word-wrap: break-word; font-size: 14px;">
<div>
<div>I’m fine with Greg’s suggestion, that is what we meant</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">J. Beckwith Burr<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(6, 134, 88);">Neustar, Inc. /</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> Deputy
General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(6, 134, 88);">Office</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">: <a href="tel:%2B%201.202.533.2932" value="+12025332932" target="_blank">+
1.202.533.2932</a> <span style="color: rgb(6, 134, 88);"> Mobile</span>: <a href="tel:%2B1.202.352.6367" value="+12023526367" target="_blank">+1.202.352.6367</a> <span style="color: rgb(6, 134, 88);">/ <a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank" style="color: purple;">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a> / <a href="http://www.neustar.biz/" target="_blank">www.neustar.biz</a></span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);">
<span style="font-weight: bold;">From: </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span>Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 12:17 AM<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);">
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">We (IPC) have always taken the position that contract enforcement is not regulation. We have discussed this and the highlighted language should not be used to prevent ICANN from enforcing
any terms of any contracts, including those relating to WHOIS or PICs.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">The essence of "regulation" is that it is a rule or order <u>prescribed</u> by an authority. A provision that is the result of an agreement between two or more parties is not prescribed.
A consensus policy developed by a multistakeholder community is also not regulation, as it not prescribed solely by ICANN the corporation.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">I am confident these are rational and correct views. However, if you ask me whether I'm concerned that other interpretations will be advanced that would limit WHOIS compliance enforcement
and PICS compliance enforcement, then my answer is, yes I am. I would welcome clarifying language. That language should be somewhere where it is clear that it must be referred to when interpreting the bylaws. I'm not sure exactly where that sort of interpretive
language or "legislative history" should be, but it's necessary. Otherwise, I fear we are opening up a whole avenue for new challenges based on novel theories -- one could advance a perfectly decent argument that all consensus policy is regulation, depending
on where you draw the line between "ICANN the corporation" and "ICANN the community governance ecosystem."</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">On another note, I am curious to know more about Leon's thinking that this is interrelated with the Human Rights discussion. I have to admit I had not thought along those lines before, but
I would not be so quick to dismiss it.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">Finally, on re-reading the proposed bylaws language for the umpteenth time, I see something an ambiguity that concerns me. The language reads: <font color="#ff0000" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;">ICANN
shall not engage in or use its powers to attempt the regulation of services that use the Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that they carry or provide</font><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;">.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">What does the word "they" (4 words from the end) refer to? Does it refer to "services that use the Internet's unique identifiers" or does it refer to the "unique identifiers" themselves,
or both? I'm confident that it was meant to refer to the services, and that it was not meant to refer to the unique identifiers. However, there are those who argue that "unique identifiers" (i.e., domain names) <u>are</u> content. It's a short step from
that ambiguity to an argument that would attack the ability to make and enforce policy relating to domain names, at least to the extent that they constitute "content". This could strike at RPMs, such as UDRP and URS, as well as the WHOIS and PICS issues above.
As a result, I suggest that we revise the language as follows:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><font color="#ff0000" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;"><br>
</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><font color="#ff0000" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;">ICANN shall not engage in or use its powers to attempt the regulation of services that use the
Internet's unique identifiers, or the content that SUCH SERVICES carry or provide</font><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px;">.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">I look forward to discussing these issues further. I will try to join the call in a couple of hours, but I am on vacation with my family and doing a 2-4 am call from our hotel room is not
going to make me very popular tonight or a good travel companion or driver tomorrow....</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">Greg</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div id=""></div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</span></div>
</div>
</span>
</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>