<div dir="ltr"><div>Not sure i get the idea of "we have compromised enough" sorry if we did not take ICANN to a member organisation, what other level is left to take it to....J<br><br></div>Cheers!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:58 PM, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Agreed with the below, this is not a productive route, its not a viable route and its not conducive to having a viable proposal that will garner broad consensus.
<div>We have compromised enough, anything further will undermine this whole effort.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Matthew Shears, Kavouss Arasteh, Malcolm Hutty, Mathieu Weill, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía, Thomas Rickert<br>
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<div>Agree with Jordan, Kavouss, Malcolm, and others. </div>
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<div>CMSM was not the ideal, but provides the bare minimum in terms of enforceability. I do not support re-opening the exploration of alternative models.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>, Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>>, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>>,
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<div>I wholeheartedly support Jordan</div>
<div>We can not reconsider what we were about to finalize from our Paris Meeting and start a new round of discussion just 10 days before the expiry of Deadline.</div>
<div>I do not think that what Alan proposed is simpler as there is bnot clear criteria to examine its simplicity.</div>
<div>I am not in favor of the continuation of the discussion in this regard.</div>
<div>As Keith Drazak told in Chat, CMSM is a compromise even if I did not agree to use the term "compromise "as it is the only way that all six?Seven powers could be exercised by the community</div>
<div>Legal Advisers have comprehensively described the problem of Designator, unless it is accompanied by the UA approach that we have totally abandoned</div>
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> So, although I am hesitant to suggest we switch gears at this time, I am<br>
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> The At-Large group was very supportive of considering a variation of<br>
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</span>Trying to revive a Designator Model, or any other model that cannot<br>
provide enforceability[*], is hardly the way to achieve support for<br>
transition. While I understand that you don't think enforceability is<br>
important, you surely must realise by now that it is considered<br>
essential by many.<br>
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Even if you succeeded in pushing CCWG into this change, all you would<br>
achieve would be to convince a sizable chunk of the community to<br>
campaign against transition.<br>
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Have you communicated to your colleagues in ALAC that you say were<br>
enthused by this supposed alternative that it would just provoke<br>
opposition to transition altogether? Or are they under the impression<br>
that this is something that is likely to win a broad consensus?<br>
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Member also changes how the fiduciary duty works, which is also<br>
crucially important. Becky explained this much more articulately than I can.<br>
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