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Agreed with the below, this is not a productive route, its not a viable route and its not conducive to having a viable proposal that will garner broad consensus.
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" class="">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "James M. Bladel"<br class="">
<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date: </span>Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:10 AM<br class="">
<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To: </span>Matthew Shears, Kavouss Arasteh, Malcolm Hutty, Mathieu Weill, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía, Thomas Rickert<br class="">
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Perhaps a variation...<br class="">
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<div class="">Agree with Jordan, Kavouss, Malcolm, and others. </div>
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<div class="">CMSM was not the ideal, but provides the bare minimum in terms of enforceability. I do not support re-opening the exploration of alternative models.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">From: </span><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" class="">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" class="">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br class="">
<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date: </span>Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:42
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">To: </span>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>, Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" class="">malcolm@linx.net</a>>, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" class="">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>>,
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<div class="">I wholeheartedly support Jordan</div>
<div class="">We can not reconsider what we were about to finalize from our Paris Meeting and start a new round of discussion just 10 days before the expiry of Deadline.</div>
<div class="">I do not think that what Alan proposed is simpler as there is bnot clear criteria to examine its simplicity.</div>
<div class="">I am not in favor of the continuation of the discussion in this regard.</div>
<div class="">As Keith Drazak told in Chat, CMSM is a compromise even if I did not agree to use the term "compromise "as it is the only way that all six?Seven powers could be exercised by the community</div>
<div class="">Legal Advisers have comprehensively described the problem of Designator, unless it is accompanied by the UA approach that we have totally abandoned</div>
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</span>Trying to revive a Designator Model, or any other model that cannot<br class="">
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transition. While I understand that you don't think enforceability is<br class="">
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Even if you succeeded in pushing CCWG into this change, all you would<br class="">
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Have you communicated to your colleagues in ALAC that you say were<br class="">
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opposition to transition altogether? Or are they under the impression<br class="">
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Member also changes how the fiduciary duty works, which is also<br class="">
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