<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Good evening:</div><div><br></div><div>With all my admiration for this excursion into 'track-changes' and many thanks to Greg for the .pdf formats:</div><div><br></div><div>a)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I have not understood why these texts need to be agreed upon now. Isn't this <i>par excellence</i> a case to be referred to "work stream 2" - ?</div><div><br></div><div>b)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>WHOIS policy is being addressed in ICANN through several parallel processes, to the point that I have every expectation that they will give rise to inconsistent outcomes. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>We do not need CCWG to add to the process.</div><div><br></div><div>c)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>In any event, I absolutely disagree to including anywhere the repeated references to " … <span style="font-size: 11.5px; ">a commitment that becomes part of ICANN Bylaws, regarding enforcement of the current WHOIS</span><span style="font-size: 11.5px;"> </span>…<span style="font-size: 11.5px;"> "</span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Current WHOIS policy has proven to be unenforceable for more than a decade.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Current WHOIS policy, should it be enforced, jeopardises Registrars and Registrants in jurisdictions where the policy conflicts with applicable local law.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>All of the above will have to be reviewed by the community as soon as ICANN proposes how to implement the recommendations for a new gTLD Directory Service.</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest that CCWG drop the whole topic for the time being pending ICANN's proposals for new gTLD Directory Services.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>CW</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></div><div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed WHOIS language</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">3 Sep 2015 21:05:18 GMT+02:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br></span></div><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This seems to fall into the "no good deed goes unpunished" category. In any event, and in spite of not being asked, I have taken my time to convert the three documents to the PDF format, because I'm a nice guy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="word-wrap:break-word">My linux based, open source, FREE word processor opens/saves MS Word documents without any trouble………. So I don’t know what the issue is With Dr. Lisse´s IPad mini...<div><br></div><div> <br><div>
<div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><span class=""><span>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez</span><br><span>_____________________</span><br><br><span>email: </span><a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a><br></span><span class=""><span>Skype: carlos.raulg</span><br><span><a href="tel:%2B506%208837%207173" value="+50688377173" target="_blank">+506 8837 7173</a> (cel)</span><br><span><a href="tel:%2B506%204000%202000" value="+50640002000" target="_blank">+506 4000 2000</a> (home)</span><br><span><a href="tel:%2B506%202290%203678" value="+50622903678" target="_blank">+506 2290 3678</a> (fax)</span><br><span>_____________________</span><br><span>Apartado 1571-1000</span><br><div><span>San Jose, COSTA RICA</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span></div><br></div><br><br>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">To be Frank, it's pretty rude to expect everyone to use the same software supplier. (In fact, in some circumstances it's even anti-competitive).</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Why can't we use open standards, again?</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On 09/03/2015 07:46 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I welcome your increasing flexibility<br>the Apple store a a free app to read MS word documents now that should<br>work in you iPad mini<br><br>Good luck<br><br><br>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>_____________________<br><br>email:<span> </span><a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org</a>><br>Skype: carlos.raulg<br><a href="tel:%2B506%208837%207173" value="+50688377173" target="_blank">+506 8837 7173</a> (cel)<br><a href="tel:%2B506%204000%202000" value="+50640002000" target="_blank">+506 4000 2000</a> (home)<br><a href="tel:%2B506%202290%203678" value="+50622903678" target="_blank">+506 2290 3678</a> (fax)<br>_____________________<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>San Jose, COSTA RICA<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a><br><<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">mailto:el@lisse.na</a>>> wrote:<br><br>I am not even going to bother to ask, for, the umpteenth time, that<br>documents are posted in an open format.<br><br>el<br><br>--<br>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<br><br>On Sep 3, 2015, at 17:24, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">All:<br><br>For what it's worth, I prepared track changes comparisons of the<br>following:<br><br>CCWG Proposal vs. AoC language<br>Board Proposal vs. AoC language<br>Board Proposal vs. CCWG Proposal<br><br>These are attached.<br><br>Greg<br><br>On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a><br><<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">mailto:malcolm@linx.net</a>>> wrote:<br><br><br><br> On 03/09/2015 13:27, Bruce Tonkin wrote:<br> > Hello Malcolm,<br> ><br> > On 02/09/2015 02:24, Bruce Tonkin wrote:<br> >> ICANN commits to enforcing its policy relating to the current WHOIS<br> >> and any future gTLD Directory Service,<br> ><br> > To be clear - we are not talking about any specific service here with any pre-conceived set of requirements.<br><br> Indeed. But I did think there was a risk that wording could be<br> (mis)interpreted to suggest that we are - and then used to that<br> effect<br> when discussing what that future Directory Service might look like.<br><br><br> > We are talking about a new service that is established as a result of a policy development process in the GNSO. If it helps you could add the text:<br> ><br> > "any future gTLD DIrectory Service, established via ICANN's bottom up policy development process".<br><br> I think that would help.<br><br> The only point that I'm making is that we aren't trying to<br> pre-empt that<br> process or use this insertion into the Bylaws to direct certain<br> outcomes<br> from it. 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