<div dir="ltr">Thanks all for this thread. I agree with many of the comments made so far. <div><br></div><div>It should not come as a surprise that ICANN's current structure does not want changes. Nothing is more natural in a change process than for those who see some loss of control or authority to oppose it. It is a very natural human reaction.</div><div><br></div><div>We can resolve the "detail" complaints pretty easily by starting the bylaws drafting process. Given the discussion we've seen over the past few days and the Board's approach in the meetings last week, it isn't going to be possible in my view to have a drafting process for those details done in any credible way except by our external counsel.</div><div><br></div><div>That can deal with the detail point.</div><div><br></div><div>On the broader point, the Board's feedback, if adopted by the CCWG, would substantially weaken the accountability improvements our second draft proposal sets out. It would amount to a fundamental change in direction.</div><div><br></div><div>Whether that is warranted or not is something it will be hard to judge before we have the public feedback from the end of the comment period.</div><div><br></div><div>So... I hope that people are encouraging everyone they know to share their views and comments. It isn't the time to stay quiet!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 September 2015 at 04:01, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">@Paul +1<div><br></div><div>Furthermore, we are locked into a purely vertical approach to the balance of power.</div><div><br></div><div>It is my view that in absence of the special role of the USG, we have to move on and also take a horizontal approach (Checks and balances) between the public interest and the business realities of the DNS after the new GTLD developments. And it is precisely there where a 2 layered approach to Corporate oversight has been a model well developed in the norther European countries</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse">
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 5, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>I agree with Avri completely. And I, for one, do not want the transition<br>badly enough that I would capitulate to the Board's effort to completely<br>distort the proposed process. Candidly, I find it challenging to respond to<br>this blog post as it seems to so manifestly confuse ends and means and to<br>treat the question of means as trivial.<br><br>I am delighted that the Board professes to share our end goal of<br>accountability. But characterizing its disagreement over how to achieve<br>that as merely technical is, with due respect, sophistry. Everyone supports<br>world peace - but there is a world of difference between those who think it<br>may be achieved through military deterrence and those who think it should be<br>accomplished through diplomacy. <br><br>The difference in proposed means could not be more stark. The CCWG views<br>the Single Member as a way of the community exercising direct control over<br>the Board, with the IRP (and courts in California) as rare, infrequent<br>backups to that relationship and with the community as the entity that has<br>pre-eminence. I support that vision.<br><br>The Board's proposal sees the IRP and courts as the resolvers of dispute<br>with the Board retaining its preeminent position and the community reduced<br>to an (as yet ill defined) role as complainant. Anyone who has ever done<br>litigation knows that being the supplicant makes you subservient - and that<br>is the position the Board's proposal would put the community in. The<br>difference is not quite as stark as the one between realpolitik and<br>diplomacy, but it is both substantial and transformative. Any effort to<br>paint agreement on the "ends" as "really near complete agreement" on the<br>whole of the transition is misleading. <br><br>I understand why the Board does not want to yield power. That is precisely<br>why it must.<br><br>Paul<br><br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a> <br>O: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><br>M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><br>VOIP: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><br>Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Avri Doria [<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">mailto:avri@acm.org</a>] <br>Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 2:17 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog: Working Together Through The Last Mile<br><br>Hi,<br><br>The effort to spin the replacement recommendation as just operationalization<br>is impressive.<br><br>I do not understand the references to capture unless they mean capture by<br>the community from the Board. I suppose that from their perspective the<br>CMSM would appear to be capture in and of itself, as it gives the community<br>a share of the power they now hold for themselves. I think any discussion<br>of capture that goes beyond FUD, needs an analysis who who has captured the<br>current ICANN model. Capture is always an interesting topic because it<br>often means: "who is trying to share my power now?" I am all for opening up<br>the discussion to the power anlaysi, current, potential and likely.<br><br>Additionally, I do not understand this statement:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">where the current proposal still warrants much detail that may not be <br>achievable<br></blockquote><br>While it is true that is needs a bit more detail, though perhaps much less<br>that is being claimed - until it is time for implementaton, it is not as bad<br>as all of that. What do they mean that an adequate level of detail is not<br>achievable? Though I have learned that if someone does not wish to accept a<br>proposal, it can never have enough detail. <br><br>I think we are facing a critical moment in this transition where we, as a<br>community, will have to decide whether we want the transition so badly that<br>we are willing to surrender and let the Board have complete control without<br>any possibility of ever being subject to oversight ever again. <br>The transition is the time to switch from NTIA oversight to community<br>oversight. If this is not possible, then perhaps the transition should not<br>go forward.<br><br>We need to consider this turn of affairs quite carefully.<br><br><br>avri<br><br>On 04-Sep-15 15:53, Grace Abuhamad wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Original<br>link: <br><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mile" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mile</a><br><br><br> Working Together Through The Last Mile<br><br><<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mil" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mil</a><br>e#><<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-</a><br>mile#><<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-la" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-la</a><br>st-mile#><<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the</a><br>-last-mile#><<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-</a><br>the-last-mile#><<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-throu" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-throu</a><br>gh-the-last-mile#><br><br>I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in both the CCWG <br>briefing to the ICANN Board <br><<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56132981" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56132981</a>>,<br>and the CCWG and ICANN board dialogue<br><<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56133316" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56133316</a>>.<br>All of our dialogues over the past months have been illuminating, <br>challenging and in my opinion, an important and true testament to the <br>multistakeholder model as we work toward the IANA Stewardship Transition.<br><br>*/We support the important improvements for ICANN's accountability <br>contained in the CCWG-Accountability's 2nd Draft Proposal. We endorse <br>the goal of enforceability of these accountability mechanisms, and we <br>believe that it is possible to implement the key elements of the <br>proposal. We want to work together to achieve the elements of the <br>proposal within the community's timeline while meeting the NTIA <br>requirements./*<br><br>As we enter the final days of the Public Comment period, the Board <br>wants to be completely clear on our position. We are in agreement on <br>key concepts set forward in the CCWG's proposal, for example:<br><br> * Fundamental bylaws.<br> * Specific requirements for empowering the community into the bylaws<br> adoption process.<br> * IRP enhancements.<br> * Board and director removal.<br> * ICANN's mission and core values.<br> * Strengthening requirements for empowering the community in the<br> budget, operational and strategic planning process.<br> * The incorporation of the Affirmation of Commitments Reviews<br> intoICANN bylaws.<br> * Community ability to enforce the accountability mechanisms in the<br> bylaws.<br><br>We have suggestions on how these could be operationalized. With <br>regards to the mechanisms for community enforceability, where the <br>current proposal still warrants much detail that may not be achievable <br>we have a suggestion on how to deliver on it in a stable way, as <br>increased enforceability must not open up questions of, for example, <br>capture or diminishing of checks and balances.<br><br>Let's work together on operationalizing the above principles on which <br>we agree. Once again, we are committed to providing more detail on how <br>these ideas can be operationalized in a way that they can be <br>implemented within the community identified time frame for the <br>transition, as well as have sufficient tested grounds to not result in <br>unintended consequences.<br><br>During last night's discussion we shared this feedback. It was a lot <br>of information to digest in a call (notes around opening remarks <br><<a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Sep" target="_blank">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Sep</a><br>tember/005160.html>, notes around 10 points <br><<a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Sep" target="_blank">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Sep</a><br>tember/005161.html>), and we appreciate everyone giving our advice <br>consideration. 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