<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Carrie,</div><div><br></div><div>Though those categories were the original motivation for those top level domains, there haven't been any restrictions on .org, .net or .com since long before ICANN was created. (I don't know the precise history of whether there were formal limitations and, if so, whether there were formal changes to their rules. It's probably easy to find, but it was ancient history by the time ICANN was created.)</div><div><br></div><div>Re your question about the domain names <a href="http://IANA.org">IANA.org</a>, <a href="http://IANA.com">IANA.com</a> and <a href="http://IANA.net">IANA.net</a>, their registration information is publicly available. ICANN currently holds them. (Ignore the capitalization. That's my iPhone trying to be helpful.)</div><div><br></div><div>Steve</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:52 AM, carrie devorah <<a href="mailto:icannbackup@yahoo.com">icannbackup@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div><div class="" dir="ltr" id="yiv2475198714yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_10966"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_14344">Mr. Crocker</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_14346">I want
you to explain how if .net is for networks and .org is for
organizations how it is that ICANN permits selling of .org to non
organizations and .net for networks, not adressing the IANA, but in
general. Is this not a violation by ICANN</div></div><div class="" id="yiv2475198714yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_10968"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_14311"></span></div><div dir="ltr"> </div><br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, September 11, 2015 9:47 AM, carrie devorah <<a href="mailto:icannbackup@yahoo.com">icannbackup@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6955977746"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7942">Then who does own them? <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7820"><span></span></div> <br clear="none"><div class="yiv6955977746qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6955977746yahoo_quoted" id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7992" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7991" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7990" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6955977746yqt8782274321" id="yiv6955977746yqt80047"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7989"> <font id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_7988" face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:12 PM, Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com">steve@shinkuro.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv6955977746y_msg_container" id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_8067"><div id="yiv6955977746"><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_8066">Greg,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks. I stand corrected re the domain names. <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.com/">iana.com</a> and <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.net/">iana.net</a> are obviously protective covering for <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.org/">iana.org</a> and hence included in whatever arrangements will be made regarding <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.org/">iana.org</a>.</div><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_8115"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_8078">Steve</div><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_8080"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6955977746yui_3_16_0_1_1441979020503_8082"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div class="yiv6955977746yqt4549071731" id="yiv6955977746yqtfd89697"><div>On Aug 18, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Greg Shatan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv6955977746Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="yiv6955977746yqt4549071731" id="yiv6955977746yqtfd89397"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Here are the facts, based on public records. I believe that Sidley has confirmed these with ICANN counsel as well.</div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">ICANN
currently owns three trademarks associated with IANA: IANA, INTERNET ASSIGNED NUMBERS AUTHORITY and the IANA logo. ICANN owns three United States
trademark registrations, one for each of these trademarks.
ICANN was the original applicant for these three registrations. These three registrations are detailed in the attached document. </font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">The
University of Southern California assigned the three trademarks to ICANN,
along with earlier registrations for two of the three trademarks (the logo was not covered by a
registration or application at that time). After ICANN procured new registrations for the two word marks, and a registration for the logo, the two registrations acquired from USC
were allowed to lapse (likely because the new registrations are broader and more protective than the original USC registrations). This is also detailed in the attached document. The USC-ICANN assignment is also attached.</font></span><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">(Note that, under US trademark law, trademark rights arise from use rather than registration. A trademark registration confirms and strengthens the owner's trademark rights, but does not create the trademark right. That is why I have referred to the "trademarks" and the "trademark registrations" separately.)</font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">ICANN also owns three domain names associated with IANA: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.org/">iana.org</a>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.com/">iana.com</a> and <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.net/">iana.net</a>. All three domain names seem to lead to the same content.</font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I hope this helps.</font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_default"><span style="line-height:115%;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg Shatan </font></span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_extra"><div class="yiv6955977746yqt4549071731" id="yiv6955977746yqtfd24719"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6955977746gmail_quote"><div class="yiv6955977746yqt4549071731" id="yiv6955977746yqtfd31792">On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Dr Eberhard Lisse <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank" href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv6955977746gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv6955977746yqt4549071731" id="yiv6955977746yqtfd30711">Becky, Steve,<br clear="none">
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thanks for the input.<br clear="none">
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Unfortunately belief is not at issue here, neither are the<br clear="none">
trademarks.<br clear="none">
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They are uncontroversial in our context, though it is important to<br clear="none">
know who the actual owner of the marks is, in order to be able to<br clear="none">
give them away :-)-O.<br clear="none">
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It must be made quite clear exactly what items of Intellectual<br clear="none">
Property Rights we are talking about/will be transferred, so a<br clear="none">
numbered list will be helpful.<br clear="none">
<span class="yiv6955977746HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
el<br clear="none">
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On 2015-08-18 17:24, Steve Crocker wrote:<br clear="none">
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> On Aug 18, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Burr, Becky <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank" href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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>> Ah. Presumably this was originally registered by Jon/ISI.<br clear="none">
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> Yes, I think so.<br clear="none">
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>> J. Beckwith Burr<br clear="none">
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<span class="yiv6955977746">>> On 8/18/15, 9:20 AM, "Steve Crocker" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com">steve@shinkuro.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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>>> Becky,<br clear="none">
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>>> Not quite right. I believe there are three trademarks, but far<br clear="none">
>>> more important than the trademarks is the control of the<br clear="none">
>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://iana.org/">iana.org</a> domain name. Despite the thousands of words of email<br clear="none">
>>> devoted to the trademarks, in the case of IANA they¹re of only<br clear="none">
>>> modest, at best, practical importance. The domain name,<br clear="none">
>>> however, is a key piece of the operation.<br clear="none">
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>>> Steve<br clear="none">
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>>> On Aug 18, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Burr, Becky<br clear="none">
>>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank" href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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>>>> I think that the IP rights in question are limited to the IANA<br clear="none">
>>>> trademark, which the USG transferred to ICANN in 1999 or so.<br clear="none">
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>>>> J. Beckwith Burr<br clear="none">
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