<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252">
</head>
<body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I certainly respect the experience and perspective of the Board. On the other hand, I am mindful of the fact that many participants in the CCWG have been laboring in this field for a lot longer than the average Board member – indeed from the inception.
And, our views have been informed by extensive public comments. So the experience and perspective of the CCWG – both individual members and collectively – also deserves respect. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can’t view this as binary. We must carefully consider what’s best in all of the options on the table, understand what is do-able, and proceed from that point. I do not see how we could fulfill our obligations under the Charter by simply acceding to
the Board’s position. Nor do I think that is what the Board is demanding – although I acknowledge the Board’s delivery sometime conveyed that impression.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>B</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Rudolph Daniel <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, September 28, 2015 at 1:11 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>, Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p dir="ltr">+1 James<br>
Community has journeyed too far to hang its head ...we may be at a critical moment in the m' stakeholder process.<br>
RD</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 28, 2015 1:01 PM, "James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would prefer not to throw away the multistakeholder process in the name of the transition. I don’t know if I’m alone in that view but its certainly one I hold.<br>
<br>
-James<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 28/09/2015 17:47, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>Avri<br>
>You may agree that the Board submitted the results if its 17 years if implementation practices and experience whereas each of us have just expressed our individual experience .<br>
>Let us not argue that but just agree that what the Board suggested stemmed from facts and figures in a more general than other facts and figures submitted by individuals convoluted and amalgamated in what CCWG suggested<br>
>Kavouss<br>
><br>
>Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 18:31, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I disagree with the notion that the Board presents fact and the rest of<br>
>> the Community presents theory. Many in the other parts of this<br>
>> community have been involved in the ICANN bottom-up multistakeholder<br>
>> process for as long as the Board members. Some even longer with a<br>
>> greater degree of experience. And though our view is not the view from<br>
>> the privilege of Board perspective, it is probably just as validly<br>
>> based on that which is the case.<br>
>><br>
>> The Board's views are important, and based on their ability to affect<br>
>> the results of the community's work have a special role in our<br>
>> considerations. But please lets not elevate their position to the one<br>
>> truth we must all recognize.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
>>> On 28-Sep-15 11:38, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
>>> Dear Ed<br>
>>> I always respect your views but this time with a little bit if reluctance.<br>
>>> Board, s views contain a great degree of valuable importance as it<br>
>>> speaks for implementation of the idea whereas we purely were thinking<br>
>>> and discussing of almost theory.<br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>> Kavouss<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 15:26, avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com">avri@ella.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com">avri@ella.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Or we may have to realize that the Board's fear of the community and<br>
>>>> the FUD about what we might do, is so great that they will never be<br>
>>>> able to accept a membership model. The historical and continuing<br>
>>>> aversion of ICANN's Board and legal advisers to the notion of<br>
>>>> allowing the community to have any kind of membership may just be<br>
>>>> part of its nature and something they are incapable of 'blinking'<br>
>>>> about. It may be the threshold ceiling this experiment in bottom up<br>
>>>> multistakeholder process can never move beyond. ICANN may, by its<br>
>>>> very nature and history, never be able to become fully what it<br>
>>>> aspires to be recognized as.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It then may be up to the community to decide to take whatever crumbs<br>
>>>> of accountability we can get. One thing I am certain of, one way or<br>
>>>> another, ICANN will come out of this process changed. It will either<br>
>>>> continue to lead in developing a true multistakeholder model. Or it<br>
>>>> may just settle into a slow decline as another organization that<br>
>>>> never lived up to its promise.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> avri<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>>>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com">epilisse@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com">epilisse@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>>> Date:09/28/2015 8:15 AM (GMT-05:00)<br>
>>>> To: CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><br>
>>>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.NET">directors@omadhina.NET</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.NET">directors@omadhina.NET</a>>><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ed,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> of course we must give special attention to the Board. Stare them in<br>
>>>> the face until they blink :-)-O<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> el<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 06:27, Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Kavouss,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I personally attach a very hight level of support to the Board,s<br>
>>>>> comments which stem from 17 years of valuable experience. While I<br>
>>>>> support and appreciate public comments but we should give special<br>
>>>>> attention to the valuable comments from the Board and should not put<br>
>>>>> those comments in the sane basket of any other comment received<br>
>>>>> from individual .<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I give no greater<br>
>>>>> weight to the comments of a member of the Board than I do to a<br>
>>>>> comment from the least privileged amongst us. I give power to the<br>
>>>>> idea, not to the person or the organisation making it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ed<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>
>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>
>>>>> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=ZafcqlbrSgE4Bd9g3x12aZFbXdcCnbzhUqPK9_CgRa0&s=6sqOTKdEGThwLylpF-f8f81F0ZzUG2OQke29-vDbztw&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=ZafcqlbrSgE4Bd9g3x12aZFbXdcCnbzhUqPK9_CgRa0&s=6sqOTKdEGThwLylpF-f8f81F0ZzUG2OQke29-vDbztw&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ---<br>
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avast.com_antivirus&d=AwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=ZafcqlbrSgE4Bd9g3x12aZFbXdcCnbzhUqPK9_CgRa0&s=q9uHMjXcPTo0Md_Zw_otWCUhKM3U4yNucYSxVB5IahE&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=ZafcqlbrSgE4Bd9g3x12aZFbXdcCnbzhUqPK9_CgRa0&s=6sqOTKdEGThwLylpF-f8f81F0ZzUG2OQke29-vDbztw&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>
>_______________________________________________<br>
>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>
><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>
><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=ZafcqlbrSgE4Bd9g3x12aZFbXdcCnbzhUqPK9_CgRa0&s=6sqOTKdEGThwLylpF-f8f81F0ZzUG2OQke29-vDbztw&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=ZafcqlbrSgE4Bd9g3x12aZFbXdcCnbzhUqPK9_CgRa0&s=6sqOTKdEGThwLylpF-f8f81F0ZzUG2OQke29-vDbztw&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span>
</body>
</html>