<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There are many within the Board and the Community that have 17 years of experience with ICANN. Some are even former Board members. The current Board does not have 17 years of experience in doing anything, however, one might say that Jones Day has 17 years of experience in advising the Board in its dealings with the Community....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Burr, Becky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I certainly respect the experience and perspective of the Board. On the other hand, I am mindful of the fact that many participants in the CCWG have been laboring in this field for a lot longer than the average Board member – indeed from the inception.
And, our views have been informed by extensive public comments. So the experience and perspective of the CCWG – both individual members and collectively – also deserves respect. </div>
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<div>We can’t view this as binary. We must carefully consider what’s best in all of the options on the table, understand what is do-able, and proceed from that point. I do not see how we could fulfill our obligations under the Charter by simply acceding to
the Board’s position. Nor do I think that is what the Board is demanding – although I acknowledge the Board’s delivery sometime conveyed that impression.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Rudolph Daniel <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com" target="_blank">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, September 28, 2015 at 1:11 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>, Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><div><div class="h5"><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment<br>
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<p dir="ltr">+1 James<br>
Community has journeyed too far to hang its head ...we may be at a critical moment in the m' stakeholder process.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 28, 2015 1:01 PM, "James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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I would prefer not to throw away the multistakeholder process in the name of the transition. I don’t know if I’m alone in that view but its certainly one I hold.<br>
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On 28/09/2015 17:47, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Avri<br>
>You may agree that the Board submitted the results if its 17 years if implementation practices and experience whereas each of us have just expressed our individual experience .<br>
>Let us not argue that but just agree that what the Board suggested stemmed from facts and figures in a more general than other facts and figures submitted by individuals convoluted and amalgamated in what CCWG suggested<br>
>Kavouss<br>
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>Sent from my iPhone<br>
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>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 18:31, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I disagree with the notion that the Board presents fact and the rest of<br>
>> the Community presents theory. Many in the other parts of this<br>
>> community have been involved in the ICANN bottom-up multistakeholder<br>
>> process for as long as the Board members. Some even longer with a<br>
>> greater degree of experience. And though our view is not the view from<br>
>> the privilege of Board perspective, it is probably just as validly<br>
>> based on that which is the case.<br>
>><br>
>> The Board's views are important, and based on their ability to affect<br>
>> the results of the community's work have a special role in our<br>
>> considerations. But please lets not elevate their position to the one<br>
>> truth we must all recognize.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
>>> On 28-Sep-15 11:38, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
>>> Dear Ed<br>
>>> I always respect your views but this time with a little bit if reluctance.<br>
>>> Board, s views contain a great degree of valuable importance as it<br>
>>> speaks for implementation of the idea whereas we purely were thinking<br>
>>> and discussing of almost theory.<br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>> Kavouss<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 15:26, avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">avri@ella.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">avri@ella.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Or we may have to realize that the Board's fear of the community and<br>
>>>> the FUD about what we might do, is so great that they will never be<br>
>>>> able to accept a membership model. The historical and continuing<br>
>>>> aversion of ICANN's Board and legal advisers to the notion of<br>
>>>> allowing the community to have any kind of membership may just be<br>
>>>> part of its nature and something they are incapable of 'blinking'<br>
>>>> about. It may be the threshold ceiling this experiment in bottom up<br>
>>>> multistakeholder process can never move beyond. ICANN may, by its<br>
>>>> very nature and history, never be able to become fully what it<br>
>>>> aspires to be recognized as.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It then may be up to the community to decide to take whatever crumbs<br>
>>>> of accountability we can get. One thing I am certain of, one way or<br>
>>>> another, ICANN will come out of this process changed. It will either<br>
>>>> continue to lead in developing a true multistakeholder model. Or it<br>
>>>> may just settle into a slow decline as another organization that<br>
>>>> never lived up to its promise.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> avri<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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>>>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com" target="_blank">epilisse@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:epilisse@gmail.com" target="_blank">epilisse@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>>> Date:09/28/2015 8:15 AM (GMT-05:00)<br>
>>>> To: CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><br>
>>>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.NET" target="_blank">directors@omadhina.NET</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.NET" target="_blank">directors@omadhina.NET</a>>><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ed,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> of course we must give special attention to the Board. Stare them in<br>
>>>> the face until they blink :-)-O<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> el<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 06:27, Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Kavouss,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I personally attach a very hight level of support to the Board,s<br>
>>>>> comments which stem from 17 years of valuable experience. While I<br>
>>>>> support and appreciate public comments but we should give special<br>
>>>>> attention to the valuable comments from the Board and should not put<br>
>>>>> those comments in the sane basket of any other comment received<br>
>>>>> from individual .<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I give no greater<br>
>>>>> weight to the comments of a member of the Board than I do to a<br>
>>>>> comment from the least privileged amongst us. I give power to the<br>
>>>>> idea, not to the person or the organisation making it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ed<br>
>>>>><br>
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