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+1 Totally agree. As a lurker who has been trying to read
everything, I find the language pretty opaque. If ICANN addicts
don't get it, outsiders have no hope.<br>
Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-09-28 15:18, James Gannon
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<div>This is solid advice. Everyone should read this and take
it onboard.</div>
<div>Thank you for this one Kieren.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a
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on behalf of Kieren McCarthy<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday 28
September 2015 20:06<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Dr Eberhard W Lisse<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Lisse Eberhard,
CCWG Accountability<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Communications Ideas<br>
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<div dir="ltr">To get back to the initial theme of this
email thread: communications.
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<div>Yes, the CCWG report as it currently stands is
severely lacking in clear communications.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I doubt that clear communications will resolve the
current impasse but I have yet to see a single situation
where clear communications has not helped.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Here is my advice to this group, based on having been
a comms professional for 20 years.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>1. Keep your report. It is how this group works.
Trying to bend it into clear communications for the rest
of the world will be a tiring and pointless task.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>2. Write a second report specifically designed for
non-ICANNers to read. Think: Congressmen, your own
senior VPs whose eyes rollover whenever you mention the
word "ICANN". Smart people who couldn't care less about
ICANN but do want to be up-to-date and informed about
important developments.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. Create a sub-group of people who actually write
those kinds of reports for a living to produce the
second report.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>4. Here is what is missing in what the CCWG is
currently proposing:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* This is no clear rationale for why these changes
are needed</div>
<div>* There is no clear explanation for why these
solutions were chosen</div>
<div>* There is no clear explanation for what happens if
these things aren't done</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5. Here are the components of the current CCWG plans
that undermine it:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* It is both too vague and too detailed</div>
<div>* Too vague: the overall scaffolding is not explained
sufficiently or clearly.</div>
<div>* Too detailed: no one but not one outside the 50
GNSO obsessives in this world want anything to do with
obscure voting procedures that they will never
participate in. And no one but no one wants to read
pages about the process you followed except in the most
enormously general terms.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* It is too complex</div>
<div>* If you want the internet community to override the
Board, then it needs to be clear to people outside ICANN
how that works. Just imagine a completely different
organization. </div>
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</div>
<div>Imagine you are reading a report about how the car
industry is allowed to overrule the international body
that regulates emissions. If you are faced with a dozen
pages over how a specific subgroup of the car industry,
under a weighted voting system, is able to overrule a
decision not withstanding a challenge from a specific
group of plant union workers who would then be expected
to enter an as-yet unspecified arbitration process whose
final result would require a separate process, also
under weighted voting, that would reconsider the results
of the report and decides whether to empower a new
group....</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You see that and you say: this is a mess and won't
ever work.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But if you read: an override would require all groups
from the manufacturers to the dealers to the pant worker
union to agree... well then you can have some confidence
in it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The shorter version of this point is: the GNSO needs
to pull its head out its ass.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now to get to the nub of it:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are several very, very good reasons why there
should be a "member" of ICANN. Focus on them (at least
in the second, clear comms, report).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Two of the biggest I would say are:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* Without a member, the internet community will never
be able to legally separate IANA from ICANN. That is the
one, single, unquestionable power that the NTIA
currently has: to cut that contract. Under the Board's
MEM plan, that unquestionable right does not and will
not exist.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* Without a member, the Board can pass a two-thirds
resolution to move its headquarters to Beijing and there
is nothing the rest of the internet community can do
about it. The Board's MEM approach is so convoluted that
it could be tied up in pseudo-legislation for the next
decade. The member approach provides a legal,
unassailable right to reject that and at the same time
kick the Board off for good measure.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These are clear scenarios that would currently never
happen because the NTIA is in charge. When the NTIA is
gone, they have to become impossible. And the member
model is the clear path, written into existing US
corporate law i.e. not some special hodge-podge of ideas
dreamed up in the penthouse suite of an LA hotel. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Tell that to Congress and then let ICANN Corporate
explain why their approach is better.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>* Last suggestion: stop calling it the "single member
model". Call it something that makes immediate sense to
everyone and has a positive feel to it. That way people
can understand it. And you give the Board a way to save
face.</div>
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<div>Hope this is helpful.</div>
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<div>Kieren</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 3:23
PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Paul,</div>
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<div>to be precise, categoric and emphatic, we
want the reasons (WHY).</div>
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<div>We have seen shared the understanding of WHAT
the Board is saying.</div>
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<div>And apparently we need to find out how to ask
the Board, because they seem to have issues with
it.</div>
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On 27 Sep 2015, at 15:15, Paul Rosenzweig
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<p style="margin-top:0px" dir="ltr">Yes
oracle of Delphi. What is the Board
view? Nobody asked you say. We are
asking now?</p>
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Paul<br>
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Sunday, 27 September 2015, 06:09PM -04:00
from Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a
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<div>Than what is it, what you are
stating?</div>
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<div>el<br>
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On 27 Sep 2015, at 14:14,
Chris Disspain <<a
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El, that is emphatically,
categorically and
precisely not what I am
stating.<br>
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at 07:06 , Dr
Eberhard W Lisse
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name="messageBodySection">Chris,<br>
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are you
seriously
stating that the
Board does not
have to give
reasons because
it was unaware
we would like to
unserstand why,
or are are
saying "You
gotta ask me
nicely"? (Jack
Nicholson as Col
Jessup in "A few
good men")<br>
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greetings, el</div>
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name="messageSignatureSection"><br>
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Lisse's iPhone
5s<br>
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On 27 Sep 2015,
13:31 -0700,
Chris Disspain
<<a
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<div><span
style="font-family:'Verdana';font-size:13px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">But
you did not
ask the Board
to expand on
its comments
or explain why
it had a
problem with
anything in
the CCWG
report.<br>
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