<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I understand and used to believe that as well.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div><br><br><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@actonline.org> </div><div>Date:09/29/2015 10:17 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: avri doria <avri@ella.com>, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au> </div><div>Cc: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> </div><div>Subject: RE: [CCWG-ACCT] CSMM as WS2 </div><div><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Avri,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">WS1 has always been about power and WS2 about implementation. WS1 was never going to be complete and, for that matter, WS2 won’t ever be complete either. That
said, if we have the power to spill the board with relative ease, we can easily reconvene, flesh out the member model, submit it to the board and spill them if they aren’t constructive. We don’t need to worry about deadliens, the congress, NTIA, etc. the whole
point of WS1 is to ensure the capability to do just this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> avri doria [mailto:avri@ella.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2015 9:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au>; Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@actonline.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CSMM as WS2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmm. An April 1 RFC as a model solution for our issues with the board. Might indeed be the right approach.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or was that just by way of comment. For example an explanation of why putting things in ws2 is just silly and won't work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au">ceo@auda.org.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date:09/28/2015 8:42 PM (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cc: CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CSMM as WS2 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#666666">Thanks Jonathan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#666666">I find RFC 1925 most instructive when dealing with circumstances such as the one we currently find ourselves in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#9443FB">Cheers,</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#666666">On 29 Sep 2015, at 09:29 , Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:jzuck@actonline.org">jzuck@actonline.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#666666">Here's a flyer. How about we make the determination that converting ICANN to a membership organization is a WS2 initiative and design a stress test for whatever
we come up with in the interim that examines the community's ability to make this transformation post transition. With the right set of bylaws changes, the ability to spill the board, etc. we might be able to meet the WS1 requirements of "sufficient leverage
to accomplish WS2." We could keep it pretty simple, eliminate the deadline, the NTIA, etc. and work towards a membership model over the following year and spill the board if they resist. I know that spilling the board is something we don't regard as practical
leverage for some random policy decision but I think it's pretty credible for a restructuring. Thoughts?<br>
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