<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Hi Jordan,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">"<font size="2" class=""><span class="" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">whether or not the decisions to exercise powers on the part of a member can be constrained</span></font>”</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>This as you say is very narrow but important. It is clear that the statutory rights cannot be abrogated. So they will always be available. The question is how far they can be constrained. Constrained, to me, simply means how difficult can you make their exercise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">We have had very clear advice from our counsel that this can be done.</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>That is not my understanding. I think the advice has been that the lawyers believe it can be done but that there is no precedent to which they can point and therefore no guarantee that such a constraint would be upheld in court. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In any event, it appears that some members of the CCWG believe that there should be access to some, if not all of the statutory rights that a member would have.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Cheers,</p><p class="p3" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); min-height: 16px; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(148, 67, 251); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Chris</p>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 1 Oct 2015, at 22:55 , Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Seun, all<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I stand by my comment - the error is very narrow but very important:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"<font size="2" class=""><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" class="">whether or not the decisions to exercise powers on the part of a member can be constrained</span></font>"</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>We have had very clear advice from our counsel that this can be done. The board members in LA both in the meeting and in the corridors argued it can't, and they seemed to be arguing based on advice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there was advice from their Lawyers I want us all to see it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there was not, I want to know that too.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Both are very reasonable questions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class="">Jordan <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Thursday, 1 October 2015, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" class="">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr" class="">While I wish Bruce wisdom in answering your question. I don't understand how you conclude that it's erroneous. From my "very" little understanding of law, there are more than one way to achieve a goal and none of them lacks consequences (disadvantage).</p><p dir="ltr" class="">We have requested CCWG legal to provide their view about board proposal, I don't know what is more useful than that document produced(unless we don't trust CCWG legal as well). I mean, how differently would we have responded by seeing the notes other than the way we have to board's proposal</p><p dir="ltr" class="">That said, this does not mean I am discouraging transparency but just to indicate that our answer/solution to settle the current disagreement is most likely not in those notes.</p><p dir="ltr" class="">Regards<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 1 Oct 2015 10:24, "Jordan Carter" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jordan@internetnz.net.nz');" target="_blank" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="">Hi Bruce<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What advice has Jones Day or ICANN's in house legal team given to the Board - either directly or through management - or directly to management - that has led to erroneous conclusions regarding whether or not the decisions to exercise powers on the part of a member can be constrained or not?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Such erroneous conclusions were evident from the comments of some board members in Los Angeles.<span class=""></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can that advise or a summary of it be shared with the CCWG?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class="">Jordan <div class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Thursday, 1 October 2015, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au');" target="_blank" class="">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello Farzaneh,<br class="">
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>> I understand that the Board has made the Jones Day impact assessment available. But in a note it states that it has had discussions with advisors and staff. I would also like to request for any document that the Board has received in its discussion with the advisors and staff and notes of the deliberation of their meetings.<br class="">
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Yes our intent is to make all documents available. So far the only one that I am aware of is the Jones Day analysis that was published.<br class="">
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We received verbal briefings form the Advisors to the CCWG (<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors" target="_blank" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors</a>) , and I understand these advisors also gave verbal briefings to the CCWG, as well as any written comments they have posted to the public comments forum.<br class="">
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