<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">I don’t disagree with you Avri but isn’t going to court the ultimate enforceability in any of the models/ideas we have been discussing?<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Oct 2015, at 21:07 , Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">Within ICANN, it rests with the Board.<br class=""><br class="">I resist the idea of including going to court as a normal part of our<br class="">process. I have argued all the way through this process, that going to<br class="">court is something to be avoided and something we should not consider to<br class="">be part of the process. Yes at the end of the day it needs to be<br class="">possible, but it is a failure indication.<br class=""><br class="">avri<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 02-Oct-15 06:57, Chris Disspain wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">No Avri. At the end of the day it rests with the court as I believe is<br class="">clear from the note from JD. <br class=""><br class="">After a finding by an arbitration panel that a bylaw has been<br class="">breached, it is a matter for the Board about how they remedy (as I<br class="">believe is the case with the member model also) and that remedy is<br class="">itself subject to a claim that it breaches a bylaw (if the community<br class="">has consensus). If the Board refuses to abide by the ruling then a<br class="">court can order them to do so.<br class=""><br class="">Have I misunderstood the way the member model works. I believe Becky<br class="">has said numerous times that the only finding could be that the<br class="">relevant bylaw has been breached, NOT that the Board must take a<br class="">specific action. Is that wrong?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Chris<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 2 Oct 2015, at 20:46 , Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">avri@acm.org</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">mailto:avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">That was one of my favorite lines as well.<br class=""><br class="">And is a key point. In the current model, and as far as I can tell in<br class="">the MEM, at the end of the day, all always rests "within the Board's<br class="">discretion."<br class=""><br class="">avri<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 02-Oct-15 05:29, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I really LOVE this one:<br class=""><br class="">[...]<br class="">"the Board is required to remedy that violation, within the<br class="">Board’s discretion."<br class="">[...]<br class=""><br class="">(last line on Page 1)<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">---<br class="">This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br class=""><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" class="">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<br class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">---<br class="">This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br class=""><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" class="">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<br class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></span></body></html>