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    <font face="Verdana">The group, unfortunately, as ever is diving
      thick into dealing with </font>the details and legalese when the
    real issue and contestation is a larger political one.<br>
    <br>
    First of all, and this I accept is bit of a de tour, though for me a
    preface to the main point: a global governance body like the ICANN
    should be a public body under public law and not a private body.
    That is the main anomaly here, whose implications have been evident
    throughout the process, but which key issue we have simply bypassed.
    As a 'global' governance body it should of course be incorporated in
    international law, which most developing countries have demanded,
    but that has been given no consideration. In any case, as the second
    best option, pending a shift to the appropriate international
    jurisdiction, in fact, I have begun to think that, I may prefer it
    to be incorporated under an appropriate US statute with sufficient
    safeguards, and means of global representation in constituting ICANN
    and holding it accountable. Those who think this will put it 'back'
    under US oversight should understand that right now the same US
    legislature can at any time make any kind of law establishing any
    kind of authority over ICANN and its work, in its US non profit
    status. In fact, a well done statute could include better safeguards
    and clearer processes to make such interference more rather than
    less difficult. In any case, things no way become worse vis a vis
    the authority of the state of the US on ICANN if such a statutory
    incorporation route is employed - while it affirms the basic
    important political point that 'governance is a public function',
    and not a matter of private contracts, which the ICANN model is all
    about, and which for me its biggest negative contribution to our
    political thinking and landscape as we go forward. It then gets
    pushed into larger governance of Internet relates issues, and then
    to governance overall, of all issues and areas (in fact the latter
    strategic plan is mentioned in as many words in a World Economic
    Forum document). This is the route to a neoliberal privatisation of
    governance and political systems that this exercise is centrally
    contributing to which is my greatest problem with it. <br>
    <br>
    Coming back to the current point, now even if for whatever reasons
    we are decided on a private body status for ICANN, if non profit,
    the key and the prior issue we face is to choose between two forms,
    a Board-based private body or a membership-based one. Obviously, it
    is the latter which is relatively 'more public' than the former,
    which is clearly 'more private'. So, the choice should obviously be
    of a 'membership based body'. But then we see fears being expressed
    that members can go rouge (as if board members cannot, which would
    be so much more calamitous) or that members can wrongly capture
    power... The way forward then should be to improve the membership
    structure of ICANN, in one go or progressively, rather than succumb
    to the 'fear of the public' which most entities or people exercising
    unaccountable political power normally do. This is what I see
    happening here as well. (Yes, 'public' can be sometimes messy!) <br>
    <br>
    What I would see to be the proper course at this stage is to first 
    - clearly and firmly - decide whether a Board mode is better or a
    Membership model, and if the latter, which I really see is
    preponderantly the view, go for it, and thrash out what kind of
    membership model best serve the needs of the context. It is no one's
    case that a membership model is impossible here, or the costs and/
    or dangers of it are so expressly huge to be able to largely negate
    the logic of the higher political choice I spoke about earlier
    ('political' as in systems and institutions concerned with location,
    flow and distribution of power).  Rather than taking this obvious
    and straightforward route, one is seeing various kinds of matters of
    detail, legalese and, sorry but, even trivia being thrown around, on
    the basis of which then some 'decision' , or is it 'consensus', will
    be arrived at, which by default decides the larger and higher
    political question - without ever actually addressing it. This, as I
    have critiqued before, has always been the primary and in my view
    the fatal flaw with the process, which no amount of legal advice,
    and discussions about the finer points of corporate governance, is
    ever going to cover up. <br>
    <br>
    And then of course there are no prizes for guessing what would be
    the nature of the final decision or model -- it will firmly lie
    within the rather narrow confines of what has rather bluntly been
    stated to be acceptable by the Board, and also the US government,
    which keeps making all the soft but powerful noises about giving
    them a model with least amount of change or possible confusion. <br>
    <br>
    It is made no better if some people who have been entrusted with,
    what is that rather fashionable word here, is it a, 'fiduciary duty'
    by the global Internet community to come up with an ICANN oversight
    model that best upholds global public interest, openly admit that
    there is no point in coming up with a model that is not to the taste
    of the ICANN and the US gov and therefore they would/ may not do so.
    Dont they know that whatever they present will be called as a
    community consensus model arrived at through a long transparent and
    participatory process, inclusive of the global community. Behold,
    democracy has triumphed!! History is written by the powerful. There
    will be no footnote anywhere that the model was presented because it
    was all that ICANN and the US was ready to accept. (Btw, a question,
    is CCWG meaning to append such a footnote to its final proposal,
    just for the sake of transparency and full disclosure?). <br>
    <br>
    No personal affront to anyone intended, but this process in my view
    has at this point sunk too low to be worthy of participation. But
    then I work with people whose interests are affected by what gets
    done here, and that gives me the justification to state my
    dissatisfaction and disappointment. And this process is being
    carried out in the name of all these people.<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 05 October 2015 11:44 AM, <a
        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
        href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>
      wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Dear Co-Chairs,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">May you please kindly confirm that this
            question will be certified to our lawyers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Thanks and best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Jorge <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                  lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"
                lang="DE"> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 2. Oktober 2015 17:02<br>
                <b>An:</b> Greg Shatan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">&lt;gregshatanipc@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Mathieu Weill <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">&lt;Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr&gt;</a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>;
                Thomas Rickert <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">&lt;thomas@rickert.net&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] question on fiduciary
                duties and their objectivity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I feel Greg captures and explains (much
            more eloquently) the issues I think we should be clarifying.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Jorge<br>
            <br>
            Von meinem iPhone gesendet<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
            Am 02.10.2015 um 16:52 schrieb Greg Shatan &lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">I
                      am quite confident that there are standards
                      (objective or otherwise) for the definition and
                      exercise of "fiduciary duty" by directors, both in
                      the statutes and in case law, as well as in
                      commentary (i.e., books and articles) and legal
                      advice.  Of course, the advice that the Board has
                      received over the years in applying "fiduciary
                      duty" as an ICANN Board member almost certainly
                      takes a particular view of the legal standards and
                      their application.  Our counsel may well take a
                      different view.  We should get our counsel's view
                      (and if possible, our counsel's view on ICANN's
                      counsel's view).  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">As



                      a general matter, Boards are bound to to make all
                      their decisions consistent with their fiduciary
                      duties.  This does not need to be set out in any
                      document.  It's a legal duty.  Our issues don't
                      focus on this overall exercise of fiduciary duty;
                      rather, I think our primary concern is when the
                      Board invokes fiduciary duty as a reason not to
                      accept the recommendations, advice or decisions of
                      the community or any part thereof.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">After



                      that comes the question of whether and how to bind
                      the ICANN Board to specific and explicit standards
                      or interpretations for fiduciary duty, rather than
                      relying on an unstated interpretation based on the
                      advice of counsel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Then



                      comes the questions of whether the Bylaws can
                      include any specific requirements (e.g., extended
                      rationale, supermajority) when the Board goes
                      against the decisions of the Community and does so
                      based on "fiduciary duty."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">After



                      that comes the question of whether the Board's
                      exercise of fiduciary duty can be challenged in
                      RfR, IAP, MEM, etc.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Finally,



                      the question comes whether this challenge would be
                      significantly different if brought by the Sole
                      Member vs. any other entity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">I
                      don't believe "enforceability" hinges primarily on
                      whether there are explicit standards for fiduciary
                      duty set forth in the bylaws.  As noted above, it
                      is an inherent duty.  If a Board violates its
                      fiduciary duty, a party with standing (i.e.,
                      affected by the outcome) and the capacity to sue
                      (i.e., legal personhood) can challenge that in
                      court. However, explicit standards may make
                      "enforceability" easier, since the complainant
                      could point to specific bylaws that have been
                      violated, rather than challenging the board's
                      interpretation of fiduciary duty.  Since there are
                      a range of interpretations of fiduciary duty, and
                      the Board has broad (but not boundless) discretion
                      to interpret fiduciary duty, it becomes more
                      difficult to challenge -- but not impossible,
                      since some actions objectively violate fiduciary
                      duty based on existing legal standards (e.g., if
                      the Board exhausts its reserve fund to pay for
                      trip to Las Vegas, any claim that this is
                      consistent with their fiduciary duty is likely to
                      fail).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">I
                      hope this helps inform the questions we need to
                      ask counsel in this situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">There



                      is also a second question arising from Jorge's
                      email, which is:  What are the duties and
                      obligations that must be considered when the <u>membership</u>
                      makes a decision.  Are the decisions of membership
                      (in a California public benefit corp.) utterly
                      arbitrary and without regard to any standard, or
                      are they limited by some legal standards or
                      duties?  If so, what are those standards and
                      duties? If there is no legal standard for member's
                      decisions, how can these decision-making powers be
                      constrained, e.g., in the Articles/Bylaws of the
                      corporation, and what standards and mechanisms
                      would typically be used to do so?  This should be
                      explored as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div id=":1dw">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                          moz-do-not-send="true" id="_x0000_i1025"
                          src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"
                          border="0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM,
                  Mathieu Weill &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>&gt;



                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jorge, <br>
                      <br>
                      Thanks for providing these additional thoughts and
                      refinements. The way I read these is that you are
                      not only looking for clarity of what fiduciary
                      duties imply, but also on potentialoptions to make
                      them enforceable (by specifying them in the
                      Bylaws, etc.) ? <br>
                      <br>
                      This is certainly an aspect we need to clarify . <br>
                      <br>
                      Best<span style="color:#888888"><br>
                        <span class="hoenzb">Mathieu</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                          <br>
                          Le 02/10/2015 11:43, <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
                            target="_blank"> Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>
                          a écrit :<br>
                          <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">Hi Mathieu,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">After reviewing the legal
                                memo you just sent and what it says
                                about fiduciary duties, I feel that the
                                question I’m presenting is not tackled
                                in that Memo and that we still would
                                largely benefit right now from a better
                                understanding of the question I was
                                proposing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">I’ve tried to specify the
                                question a bit more, and it would look
                                as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">Is there any means under
                                Californian Law that would allow to
                                subject the exercise of fiduciary duties
                                to objective and controllable standards?
                                For example, could the following or
                                similar means be acceptable and usable
                                under Californian law:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
                                style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US">·</span><span
                                style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">        



                              </span><span lang="EN-US">concretizing
                                these fiduciary duties in the Bylaws;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
                                style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US">·</span><span
                                style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">        



                              </span><span lang="EN-US">subjecting their
                                correct interpretation to arbitration;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
                                style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US">·</span><span
                                style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">        



                              </span><span lang="EN-US">imposing special
                                requirements on the rationale needed to
                                be provided if they are used to override
                                community decisions;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
                                style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US">·</span><span
                                style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">        



                              </span><span lang="EN-US">imposing
                                extra-supermajorities in the Board in
                                order to being able to invoke such
                                duties?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">The underlying idea is IMHO
                                very relevant to our present discussions
                                on the Model, especially for those of us
                                who are not experts in Californian
                                Corporate Law: i.e. is there a legal
                                means to subject those fiduciary duties
                                to specific and objective standards
                                and/or third-party control? If there
                                are, could we use those means (if they
                                exist) to develop our model? If they do
                                not exist, or are too limited, this
                                might speak for a membership structure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US">Please let me know if you
                                can proceed with this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jorge<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                      lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
                                    lang="DE"> Mathieu Weill [<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"
                                      target="_blank">mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>]
                                    <br>
                                    <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 2. Oktober
                                    2015 11:06<br>
                                    <b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
                                      target="_blank">
&lt;Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch&gt;</a>; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
                                      target="_blank">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b> <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx"
                                      target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>;
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net"
                                      target="_blank">thomas@rickert.net</a><br>
                                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re: question on
                                    fiduciary duties and their
                                    objectivity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                lang="EN-US">Dear Jorge, <br>
                                <br>
                                You are rightly pointing out one of the
                                key areas where a shared understanding
                                of the concept and consequences has not
                                been achieved so far. $<br>
                                <br>
                                Our 2nd report highlighted this issue
                                for further investigation during WS2,
                                but I note that some comments mentioned
                                that this should not be clarified as
                                part of WS1. The exact wording of our
                                work item was :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <p style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">o</span><span
                                  style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">  



                                </span><span lang="EN-US">Clarifying
                                  understanding of the fiduciary duties
                                  of Board Directors and related
                                  expectations concerning Director
                                  behavior for the Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </blockquote>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                              Past work on the topic include several
                              mentions in legal memos. Most notable is
                              on page 4 of one of the initial memos from
                              our Counsel dated 12 april (<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890082/Combined%20CCWG%20Cover%20Memo%20and%20Templates.pdf?version=3&amp;modificationDate=1428797461000&amp;api=v2"
                                target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890082/Combined%20CCWG%20Cover%20Memo%20and%20Templates.pdf?version=3&amp;modificationDate=1428797461000&amp;api=v2</a>)
                              which addresses the balance between
                              accountability and decision making
                              authority. <br>
                              <br>
                              If we were to pursue this at this stage,
                              we probably should flesh out some
                              questions to direct work from our Counsel.
                              What would be the type of questions you
                              would raise Jorge ? (or others) ? <br>
                              <br>
                              Best<br>
                              Mathieu<br>
                               <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Le



                                01/10/2015 10:41, <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
                                  target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>
                                a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">During the debates we had
                                  on the last conference call I put
                                  forward a question which I feel could
                                  be important to better understand
                                  under Californian corporate law.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">This is whether there are
                                  any means to subject the exercise of
                                  “fiduciary duties” (by the Board) to
                                  objective standards.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">As I have understood the
                                  discussion so far, the membership
                                  model allows the member to override
                                  “fiduciary duties” of the Board.
                                  However the member itself has no
                                  fiduciary duties vis-à-vis the
                                  organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">On the other hand,
                                  fiduciary duties are apparently a
                                  useful tool within corporate law, as
                                  it imposes a duty to care for the
                                  welfare of the whole of the
                                  organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">The argument which is
                                  made by some, as far as I understand
                                  it, is that there is however a problem
                                  in the exercise of “fiduciary duties”
                                  as it would provide the Board with an
                                  “arbitrary” power, e.g. to override
                                  community decisions (in exercise of
                                  community powers) without being bound
                                  to any objective standards.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">Considering all this, my
                                  question (to the Lawyers, if this is
                                  certified as a question to them) would
                                  be: is there any means under
                                  Californian Law (or other US
                                  jurisdictions…) that would allow to
                                  subject the exercise of fiduciary
                                  duties to objective standards? (e.g.
                                  be it through concretizing these
                                  duties in the Bylaws, subjecting them
                                  to arbitration, imposing special
                                  requirements on the rationale needed
                                  to be provided if they are used to
                                  override community decisions, or, for
                                  instance, imposing
                                  extra-supermajorities in the Board in
                                  order to being able to invoke such
                                  duties?) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">Hope this helps,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  lang="EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-US">Jorge </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre>*****************************<o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre>Mathieu WEILL<o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre>AFNIC - directeur général<o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre>Tél: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B33%201%2039%2030%2083%2006" target="_blank">+33 1 39 30 83 06</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                            <pre>Twitter : @mathieuweill<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                        <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>*****************************<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>Mathieu WEILL<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>AFNIC - directeur général<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>Tél: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B33%201%2039%2030%2083%2006" target="_blank">+33 1 39 30 83 06</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>Twitter : @mathieuweill<o:p></o:p></pre>
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