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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 5, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Avri Doria &lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">avri@acm.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">What about the idea of recasting the SM to work on a consensus model</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">instead of voting?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">The info we got from Sidley/Adler indicates that this should be</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">possible. &nbsp;Then instead of working on votes we can work on</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Recommendations and Advice objections to gauge consensus (e.g. no more</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">that 1 SO recommends against + 1 AC advises against)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Note: I personally accept that constant outreach, a place for anyone in</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">an ACSO and open comment period in the 6 UN languages meets the</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">condition for a viable global model of participation.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">avri</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 05-Oct-15 10:31, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Jordan,<br class="">We should not pusjh to a particular model SMM &nbsp;while we have<br class="">disagreement a) from the Board and b) from people among CCWG ,in<br class="">partzicular, if the voting arrangements are maintained and if most of<br class="">the ACs refrain to pop in/ or opt for voting and c) indication from<br class="">others that with such voting by the ACs the balance between the<br class="">private sectors and others, on the one hand, and governments on the<br class="">other hand is c ompromised,<br class="">We need to listen to each others and not to few that have already<br class="">agreed to SMM.<br class="">Pls kindly understand that there is diverghence of views .$<br class="">Let us find out a consensus along the line that was proposed by Stev<br class="">and amended by me<br class="">Tks<br class="">Kavouss &nbsp;<br class=""><br class="">2015-10-05 16:25 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a><br class="">&lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" class="">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2015-10-05 15:38 GMT+02:00 Matthew Shears &lt;<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" class="">mshears@cdt.org</a><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" class="">mailto:mshears@cdt.org</a>&gt;&gt;:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+ 1 also<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;On 05/10/2015 13:54, James M. Bladel wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+1.<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any claims that we must abbreviate accountability reforms in<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;order to fit the IANA transition timeline has those two<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;priorities reversed.<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sent via iPhone. Blame Siri.<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;On Oct 2, 2015, at 19:44, Jordan Carter<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="">mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>&gt;&gt;<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks Avri for this nice statement of one of the key<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;dilemmas facing this group.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The divergence between:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- the transition can't happen until accountability is<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;sustainable, and so that requires the member model as a<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;foundation<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- the transition can't happen if there is a significant<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;change such as that to a member model, and so that requires<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ruling out the member model<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;is quite stark.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;FWIW my instincts are in line with Avri's. If ICANN's<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;current level of accountability was acceptable, the<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;community would not have demanded an accountability process<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;alongside the transition process, and NTIA would not have<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;agreed the two had to be intertwined and interrelated.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;cheers<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jordan<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;On 1 October 2015 at 10:38, Avri Doria &lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">avri@acm.org</a><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">mailto:avri@acm.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hi,<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The &nbsp;Board's critique rests on a notion that the<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;introduction of<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;anything new in the ICANN system will be a destabilizing<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;factor and most<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;be avoided.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This ignores the fact that by removing the NTIA backstop<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;we destabilize<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the current system. It might have been possible to find<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;a new balance<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(not that the old worked that well given the amount of<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;discontent that<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;existed prior to the CCWG process) by tweaking the<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;system. &nbsp;The early<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;work of the CCWG, however, showed that this was not<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;enough. &nbsp;So we<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;decided to bring back a notion that existed in the early<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ICANN design,<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the idea of membership. &nbsp;Membership has always been part<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;of the kit that<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;was available to ICANN in the multistakeholder model.<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;An initial<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;experiment met with some issues and instead of fixing<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that then, they<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;threw the notion away without exploring possible tweaks<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to the system.<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As a result we are living in ICANN 2.0, a system that<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;was &nbsp;imposed in a<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;top down manner and one that was never fully accepted by<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;those at the<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;bottom.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now, albeit in a very different configuration, the CCWG<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;is proposing to<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;establish a community consensus based idea of<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;membership. I believe that<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;this should be given a fair analysis before rejecting<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;it. &nbsp;It is also<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;important to remember that the NTIA requirements were<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;not a prohibition<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;of new mechanisms or structures, but rather evidence<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that these<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;structure did not increase the current risk, or fact, of<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;capture and<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that they could be held to account.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The Board criticism is important to look at for<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;arguments that show the<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;areas in which the CCWG plan either does not explain its<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;protections<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;against capture and its accountability checks and<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;balances or may have<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;gaps in these areas. If we cannot explain what we<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;propose, or cannot<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;close the gaps, then it becomes time to consider<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;variations on the model<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;or another model altogether. In my opinion, we are not<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;there.<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;avri<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;---<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This email has been checked for viruses by Avast<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;antivirus software.<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" class="">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;_______________________________________________<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" class="">mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>&gt;<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jordan Carter<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Chief Executive<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*InternetNZ*<br class=""><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+64-4-495-2118 &lt;<a href="tel:%2B64-4-495-2118" class="">tel:%2B64-4-495-2118</a>&gt; (office) |<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;+64-21-442-649 &lt;<a href="tel:%2B64-21-442-649" class="">tel:%2B64-21-442-649</a>&gt; (mob)<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" class="">mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>&gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Skype: jordancarter<br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Web: &lt;<a href="http://www.internetnz.nz/" class="">http://www.internetnz.nz</a>&gt;<a href="http://www.internetnz.nz/" class="">www.internetnz.nz</a><br class="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;<a href="http://www.internetnz.nz/" class="">http://www.internetnz.nz</a>&gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</sp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