<div dir="ltr">Jordan, I respectfully disagree. &quot;Rolling all over the lawn&quot;, as you put it, is an understatement.<div><br></div><div>It is the Board&#39;s concern if it wants to be led by polemic peddling as legal counsel - the JD &quot;high level&quot; memo could well have been written by an undergraduate student of political science, riffing on governance and instability. </div><div><br></div><div>JD is probably fulfilling its brief, and may be the Board would like to start asking substantial questions to it. No reason, in my opinion, why the CCWG should deviate from our constructive role.</div><div><br></div><div>Arun</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:small">-- </span><br style="font-size:small"><div style="font-size:small"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Head, Cyber Initiative<div>Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi</div><div><a href="http://amsukumar.tumblr.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://amsukumar.tumblr.com</a></div><div>+91-9871943272</div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Nigel Roberts <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">s/lawyers/tanks/<span class=""><br>
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On 04/10/15 21:11, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
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Thanks Grace for sharing this.<br>
<br>
I would like suggest we certify to our lawyers an advocacy request ---<br>
that is, the same thing this Jones Day memo is.<br>
<br>
Could Sidley and Adler be tasked with a similar memo directed at the<br>
Board&#39;s MEM idea?<br>
<br>
[I am concerned that we have our lawyers answering specific questions,<br>
and the Board&#39;s lawyers rolling all over the lawn. I would like an even<br>
playing field. The memo from JD is an extraordinary document for lawyers<br>
to have prepared, but if this is the sort of process we are in, it<br>
requires us all to be on a common approach.]<br>
<br>
Jordan<br>
<br>
On 2 October 2015 at 17:38, Grace Abuhamad &lt;<a href="mailto:grace.abuhamad@icann.org" target="_blank">grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a><br></span><span class="">
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:grace.abuhamad@icann.org" target="_blank">grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
    Dear all,<br>
<br>
    Attached please find a memo that Jones Day lawyers just sent to<br>
    Sidley and Adler to respond to some of the characterizations of<br>
    Jones Day&#39;s advice.<br>
<br>
<br>
    This memo is being forwarded to the CCWG-Accountability for<br>
    transparency.<br>
<br>
<br>
    This memo was also circulated to the ICANN Board after it was sent<br>
    to CCWG-Accountability&#39;s Counsel.<br>
<br>
<br>
    —Grace<br>
<br>
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    Begin forwarded message:<br>
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    *From:* Kate Wallace &lt;<a href="mailto:kwallace@jonesday.com" target="_blank">kwallace@jonesday.com</a><br>
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    *Date:* October 1, 2015 at 8:49:24 PM PDT<br>
    *To:* &quot;Gregory, Holly&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com" target="_blank">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a><br>
    &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com" target="_blank">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>&gt;&gt;, &quot;Rosemary E. Fei&quot;<br>
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    Dear Holly and Rosemary,<br>
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    In an effort to continue our dialogue, please see the attached<br>
    document responding to some of the issues raised in the slides you<br>
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